Ready? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Hello, this is Çağla from Dorf TV. And we are having breakfast here today with my friends, Valentina, Lukas, and Sule. And we are all studying in the Kunsuni while I graduated. But I want to ask you your art practices. Which department you are studying and what do you do here? So I'm studying time-based media. This is like my third year already. So I'm currently working on my thesis project and I'm really looking forward to see how it comes. Yeah and this is your first semester Lucas here in Time-Based Media Master Program. Yes, yeah I don't know what I'm doing and I don't know what nothing just having fun recording music I do music yeah I'm working on Valentines movies music now I'm working on a personal album I'm working on a cassette for Peter Andros I'm working a lot of stuff that's a mess I really don't know what I'm doing but having fun. Settling down in Linz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so far so good. I love the city. And my artistic practices too. Though I don't know where and how will they go. You will see. It's just the beginning now. I hope. Yes, I don't know. Yes. How about Zulek? I'm from Interface Culture Department. This is my first year. For now, I'm doing live coding and also another stuff. And with another colleague from the post-lutherie, post-digital literary we are trying to create TopLab links, create a community about the creative coding and life coding. And I know you are trying to build a collective here in Linz. Yes, here in Linz, right? Yes, we are in Linz. Yeah, because Toplop is like an all-wide community, so we are trying to create a community here to start doing things, performance, workshops and stuff. Nice, awesome. So maybe after this short introduction, we can start. Oh yeah, thank you. I was willing to ask if I could have my egg. Would you like some coffee by the way? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Thank you. And maybe Valentina can you talk about these aretbas? Okay, so it's in Colombia we we have this traditional breakfast. We are not so much into the bread, but more into this kind of corn dough stuff. Corn dough. Yeah, it's made of corn and it functions as a bread for us. We also put toppings on top, like butter, cheese, what is it, chicken chicken yeah no this can also be that is like a tomato sauce but homemade and it's with a lot of onion and garlic and what is it? Pepper? Something? But it's like you can put coriander and you put this tomato sauce. You put it like in a slow fire in the pan till it gets like a sauce and then you put it on top of the arepas. I'm excited to try. I of course googled what's the Colombian breakfast before asking you. It depends on the region you come from. They say like arepas for sure and fried eggs I saw and some kind of cheese but the cheese I cannot find it here so they said you can replace with the mozzarella so I bought the mozzarella. Also you found in the supermarket what that is very similar to the campesino cheese. Yeah true, it's called like kaşkaval and it's like a Turkish cheese actually and it tastes the same like as double cream so i was going to go like really strict about it's going to be colombian breakfast but i thought no it has to be fusion so i made like this salad it's really common in Turkey. Without tomatoes and cucumber we cannot do any breakfast. Wow, that's really new. And that happens in the whole country? Yeah. Okay. We don't eat that much fruit actually in breakfast. Just salty things, not even avocado. Avocado is really expensive in Turkey. How is it in Colombia? They are super cheap. Is it cheaper than here? Much more. It's like an apple. Probably it grows everywhere right? I think yeah, they have avocado nowadays, it's like popular. I think because it's like, you don't have to take care a lot of these kind of avocados. It's like they grow and they grow so well. But we have another kind of avocado that is bigger. What? This is really good. Ah, it is. Yeah. It's really good. Yeah. And these avocados are like this size. And it's like huge, avocados. And I really love that kind of avocados. It tastes different. Yeah, it tastes different. It's like more soft. I don't know, like you feel more water inside. I don't know how to describe it. But yeah, it's different. And I remember you commented about coffee once. You or Sule, like the coffee is not great here, kind of thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it depends. Because you can find cheap, awful coffee in the... Like I buy in there when you travel to all the place that's called the lege cafetero it's it's all the region that do coffee a lot they have a great industry about it it's crazy when you try coffee. It's really it's amazing, it's unbelievable the taste of it. It's like tasting the real thing. That's the only time I've ever tried like real coffee in my life. This for sure tastes different than the rest of the coffee. But I think I did a good job this time. Ah, I haven't tried it. I haven't tried it. You don't have? There's not much left. Very very. And I can make more if you want. Can I bring the good. Yeah. And I can make more if you want it. Can I bring the salt? Yeah. Don't move. No? I shouldn't move? Like completely. Out. Are we ready? Let's keep on. This is cheese? No, it's mozzarella. I am curious how to be an artist here. Like if you do comparison between Bogota and Leeds. Quite a topic. Yeah, it's a huge topic because in Colombia, of course, there is much more population. So it's really competitive. I have the feeling. Also to enter to the university. Yeah, it's such a long process and not everyone can go through it or afford like a private university. So expensive. But your university, it wasn't a private university. No, it like a private university. So expensive. But your university, it wasn't a private. It's a, no, it's a public. It's so cheap. It's so cheap. Because you pay depending on how much you get and if you are a student and you don't get so much money then you pay like nothing. Nothing. Like. That's good. Really nothing per semester. But education is really good. It depends on your family, much did your family earn? But how about graduating? Can you find a space for yourself to show your works? I think in arts it's hard, but it's good to have your community in the university. For example, I entered with Zule. We still are in touch, of course, have like your community in the university for example I enter with Zule and we still are in touch like of course with each other so this like I think I think this is the most important to create like this kind of connections that can go through and like you feel oh I like your work maybe we can contact more and so on it seems like all the people from Colombia Indians they like kind of stick each other and they work together like here I feel people are just like very individual like working alone doing everything independently in the beginning it was hard for me to like I cannot do it alone everything yeah where very like people yeah but you feel I feel more like and I have the feeling like in time based it's really necessary to create this collaboration you can do all for yourself it's exhausting yeah I think it's impossible and you don't get so much nice uh at the end as like if you were with more people you cannot be good at song yeah but i think personally it's kind of difficult that question because I feel in our country there's not much of the scene I am looking for and here I find it for example selling cassettes in my countries it's not a thing at all yeah it's like making an analog pimp in my country it's not a thing because it's so expensive in Colombia it's super expensive. But actually making cassettes is not that expensive but nobody's into it and there's no reason to do it actually and to share music and to have like people gather around certain stuff you do and you want to listen to that's the other thing that i feel that in this little town you could find like really amazing things to listen and to watch yeah and this is really into the sound like noise yeah I mean, I'm really into the sound, like noise, sound performances, live coding. Everything is so new to me here. Like one of my friends, you know Ozan, I was listening to Anderson. He's a funk musician and he asked me, Oh, you listen to music? And I said, yes, it's music. And he mentioned like they do difference between noise and music and I was not cool enough I think he's nerd so but he just listen noise or what yeah wow really I think so wow I don't know Yeah, I think so. I don't know. That's exhausting. I mean, I really like noise. I don't like the noise, but it's like... We have to stop in one moment because it's like... I don't know, but I have the feeling that being an artist in any place in the world is like being an entrepreneur. It's like you have to do a lot of stuff. It's not just being an artist. You have to know about financial stuff, administration, like how to advertise your work and like photography. A lot of bureaucracy. Marketing and stuff. A lot of bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is like you have to do a lot of things. Follow the open calls that are already existing. I end up thinking that sometimes it's not necessary to be a good artist at all, but a good bureaucrat. Doing good filling up for Mularizan. Yes. I think it's definitely necessary to do networks. But maybe it's the kind of same thing what you were saying, like creating a collective community. It's kind of the same thing, support each other. Yeah, I have the feeling like you really carry on with this person's work in your head and like sometimes you want to do something different but you have like this reference in mind and maybe you start like this communication again and this can work or cannot but it's good to give a try and see. And your work just displayed in letters. No. I'm just saying. We want to talk about it. Oh my god. What was it? I haven't heard the story yet. Yeah, that was also like a bureaucratic open call. It was from the university. And it's like, you have to fill out the spaces and forms, address, everything, about yourself, write a paragraph. I think in mostly all open calls, the same thing, like a photograph, your biography, a description of the work, I don't know, the medium and stuff like that and the topic of this Price was like dignity. Okay. Yeah, it was really interesting It was unexpected But yeah So you get accepted And you just display it there. And they are doing like a sale event and also to promote like young artists to go into this market so maybe someone is gonna buy your work hopefully How do you put the price? I hear that here they have a factor and it's based on your career, exhibitions and then you multiply the size of your work. Which is really crazy for me in Colombia because I'm really abstract. I'm very abstract. It's like, let's say 200 euros. But I'm struggling putting a price too. They want to do the insurance in the Galleria. But I don't know what am I going to do. How much would it, yeah. in the gallery. But I don't know what am I going to put it. I won't say a lot but I feel it's a bit of a trouble. Is it like a video or something? I feel with video it's also more complicated. It is. Okay I will count the camera maybe and the film itself, the 8mm. And what else? Maybe the length of the film. And mine, like my labour? Of course, your hourly. But how much is it? Your hourly thing. So I need to do some research on that. Or you can throw a smidgen that you feel comfortable with. 1000 euros. No, 30. Pizza. I think it's not crazy if you are able to sell yourself at those kind of prices. I mean, I think everywhere you could sell it for the price you wanted but the thing is that it gets old so yeah that's the thing it's get old that you sell it that you could you could price this thing that you made in billions if you are able to sell it but if not why go that those prices just put yourself at a price you think is fair for you and for someone that wants to really put place in. But it's the thing like I don't know how do you feel but the country I grew up like I feel a little bit shy about saying even I am an artist I don't feel that much confident putting a price is like different level for me mm-hmm but I'm just in the beginning of the process, I would get used to it probably. Yeah, but it's hard. It's hard to put a price. For example, the first time that I put something in a gallery, it was so hard to put a price because it was like this size, a lot of work, it's like a lot of, yeah, I don't know, handcraft involved hours and hours, like at least two months of doing the thing. And at the same time, I'm not a famous artist. And it's like, how can I put this price? famous artist and it's like how can I put this price like the thing took me like a lot of hours a lot of effort a lot of I don't know material also and at the end I put a price that for me was fair but I should put like a lower price or something like that. Finding a way. So now this tapestry is like at my home in Colombia. Can you show your blanket? Oh yeah. So you are doing crochet, right? And patching, patchwork? Do you call that patchworks? Yeah. But this kind of thing is like you start from the center and you make this part, like a square. And then you start to crochet, like for the, I don't know, this part. And you start to make like a, I don't know how to call this, like a, I don't know, this part and they start like to make like a, I don't know how to call this, like a, I don't know, a spiral. A spiral out of squares? A spiral out of the squares, yeah. So yeah, nice. And you do like this kind of work in communities, right? I know you work together in for demonstration in Bogota. Yeah, we used to have like a collective called, I don't know how to translate that in English, but in Spanish is like, cosamos el parche, that it would be like a sewing patch. But a patch also in Colombia is like a kind of friends, community or come together. But a patch is also a patch. So we have these two means. We start to create like a huge blanket. All the people that were waiting for the demonstration can put a patch. What was the demonstration about? At the beginning it was like a student movement trying to ask for more money to the uni because we have this huge problem. We don't have enough money. Like budgets, bar materials. No, it was a little more structural than actually the buildings. Actually there's no money for paying teachers. We have like a really deep problem. Yeah, the government is like... It's funny to talk about this in Dove TV, isn't it? What a good plan. Yeah, the government is like... It's funny to talk about this in Dove TV, isn't it? Quite a good plane. Right into your eyes. They will hear you, for sure. Colombian universities. Yeah... De puta puta fácil. Don't come back. Pixelate our faces. But yeah, it was a huge problem about the financial issues in the university. And it was a tool to bring people together. To gathering people. Nice. And you do the mask too? Ah, the mask? Yeah, it was another project that I have with a friend called Juanita. We have a collective, we do live coding, but also we do textile things. So we started to make creatures, monsters, and we start to perform using masks, masks of monsters. And that was the concept, no? Like being a monster on the stage, like being this kind of creatures, doing like these noises, like hiding your identity. Yeah, it started because in the life coding community, at least in Bogota, it was a lot of boys, like it's a boys club. like it's a boys club and it's like yeah you're so cute doing live coding so pretty girls doing live coding and we started like oh my god i don't want to be like seen like this it's like it's not just like a pretty girl doing live coding and we were like now let's start to cover our faces and we were like now let's start to cover our faces and it started like that and then we realized that we we was having like a lot of fun and we started to do like more and more masks and yeah nice and you gave the workshop here too how was it here yeah what's the difference yeah What was the difference? Yeah, it was like a small group. It was more like trying to talk about like the masks that we use in our daily life. How these masks like try to protect like our real identity. We were talking about this, it was like talking and then we started to make masks. We have a lot of materials and we started to create a kind of history about this kind of masks and monsters. But yeah, it was more about identity issues. We will all have it. And I feel like it changes. I don't know, it's very fluid. Like for me, being a woman in Turkey was my first identity I tried to embrace because there's a huge issue. It's hard to be a woman in Turkey but here I feel my gender is like kind of going and that's my priority being immigrant is like the first identity I embrace. Maybe being immigrant but being from Turkey because I see the difference. I lived in the US and here they have like really, how can I say, like some judgments before meeting it. Like they're always telling me, oh you're not from, you don't look like a person coming from Turkey. I thought you were South American. Should I be happy about it? Of course, of course. You asked the wrong people. You asked the wrong people. Yeah. And we're like, oh, sorry. But I understand because I've always been asked this question, like, going out, like, you're not from here, right? And it's like, yeah, but why you have to ask me in this such way? It's not welcoming at all. Yeah, it feels strange because you feel them more apart. Yeah, it feels strange because you feel them more apart. Yeah. And then it says like behind it, you won't be one of us. Yeah. It's a bit, it creates like a wall. Yeah. Yes. You're not like, you know, people here. Of course I understand. Yeah. Anyways. And a lot of people like have misconceptions a lot or how does a person of certain regions or countries look like. So I think I've been guessed already of a lot of countries, like Italy, Spain, India, Mexico. And it's like, fuck. But I don't mind. For me, at this point, it's just funny. Like, at another country. You don't need to take it funny to start yeah exactly exactly otherwise you are just gonna get annoyed every day yeah every every day yes i think the main barrier is the language yeah that's the only thing right but it's not the only thing, of course. Of course not. Let's not get into the financial issues. That's a topic of its own. We could have lunch after this. To talk about it. Prices in here are crazy. In comparison. But language you are working on it, right? Like you're learning. Putting hard work I can see. Mine is like, give me. Uh-huh. Thus is good? No. In the midst of. Thus is good. Please don't. Please don't. Don't get in. Let's start with Lukas because he's done so well. Yeah, I'm starting. I'm starting. I'm starting. I'm starting. I'm starting. Please don't. Let's start with Lucas because he's so smart. I'm smart and it's embarrassing. We're on the television. Remember. That makes us princey. You don't want to be disappointed. All the Australian people are like, oh my god. All the Western people are like, oh my god. And Dork TV is going to lose members probably. Are you like, the barrier is not in the uni, right? It's outside of the university. What do you mean? Language barrier. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, of course. Sometimes you just struggle a lot. I think that's quite a difficult thing to communicate to people that just you cannot. Especially, where was it like this week that just passed, we were chatting in Spanish in the street and some random guys just started to yell at us chatting in Spanish in the street and some random guys who started to yell at us and to say things in German and I didn't understand it. But I think they were kind of aggressive or something but I really didn't know. It happened to me the same thing with my friend Eli the other day. We were just leaving the work I think one person came to us and say something in German I wouldn't know what he's saying but after that Ellie kind of give a answer to like he was saying you need to help me Ellie um like he was drunk and being drunk on like friday and saturday they are really like aggressive they're just coming to you directly yeah okay so it's nice to not know the language actually not know the language actually. Do you remember when we were picking cherries? That was such a nice situation. We were coming out of an excursion and we were walking through Urfar and there was like a cherry tree and we were like oh we can pick some cherries because they look super good. And then we started to it's with a candy yeah we started to pick cherries we were with Sasha and we started to pick cherries but we were talking and then a grandma came like because the tree was a bit it was in it was in the house but the outside cherries were like fine yeah in the street and she started to say something in German and we were like, oops, like, what's going on? What should we do? And then Sasha was like, oh, sorry, we don't speak German. And she was like, oh, oh, oh, it's okay. My English is really bad. It's not good. But then she started to speak really good. And she was like, the problem was not that we were picking cherries it's just like she was watching the television and we were talking too loud and she was like no it's fine take the cherries and that's just like what was going on yeah your laugh is so loud and i was like trying to sleep like you're watching my TV show or something like that. But when we get together we can be loud, I can see that. Yeah. Which I love it. What's wrong with that? Yes, she was very kind actually. I came with a lot of tears. Even for that you cannot communicate sometimes. If the old woman just couldn't communicate in English, we would be... Yeah, just probably thinking about she's yelling at you. Running, running out of her property. Full of cherries. That's what happens. That's a common thing in my country. Running out of cherries? No, with mums. I used to be like... Yeah, with brutes. happens that's a common thing in my country my mom always does that and i always embarrassed but until the last year i'm like i think getting aging like not care about that and i feel like right to have the things from the tree yeah yeah even though it's in someone's garden. Okay, that's pretty good. But I read once like cities start to put out this like fruit trees. So I exchange it for trees that don't give fruits like in the cities. So it's more complicated like for the people to catch this kind of fruit. But which city is that? It was like a general study. Like in the city centers they cut out trees, like fruit trees, to avoid stuff. I would think the difference like people are starting to do gardening. It would be so beautiful. We have a cherry tree in the back side of our garden too. Here in Linz? Yeah. Oh nice. Yeah for sure. In the back part of the building there's like a garden, like a big garden and there's like a lot of trees. It's really beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. We have lectures. Yeah, we have lectures. I don't know, the last month, the first time I saw, actually the young people are glaning to here, collecting some flowers here. Elder flowers, something like that. That's the Holunder? Yeah, we have a different one. Like, white things. Yeah, I know. My beer too. Like wine things, they do. My roommates getting crazy about it. They make something. They make cider. They make pancakes. For me it was funny when I tried it the first time. Because my grandma, also take it from the trees. This came in the streets of Bogota usually. And my grandma is like, oh let's get some. And then she gets a stick and then she's getting this. She's like gardening in the middle of the city. Give me flowers. And then, but normally you make like infusion in boiling water. If you're sick. If you're sick. So for me, the first try, I was like, and Hendrik was explaining, this is a summer drink. And I was like, this tastes like I am with a flu for me the first try I was like I had to was explaining this is a summer drink and I was like this tastes like I am with a flu for me because I only drink it there when I have like coats or something in the throat mm-hmm yeah me too but now I love it I was like why didn't I try this before yeah that's so funny Hendrik and you you can see the cultural difference yeah it's funny yeah It's always like, ah, really? Yeah, I don't know what to ask next. Yeah, I know. Who's sitting this last step? I won't have it, but I want to go with our first character. Do you want the set? We could share it. Do you want that? Okay, we can share. We can make more. We could do battle. And it's with corn. I have a fork. Yeah, it's sweet. It has like sugar in. Okay. So, what kind of fruit do you eat for breakfast? Papaya. Papaya. There is no papaya in here. Papaya is super expensive. Here it's very expensive. And you see papaya like once. Oh, papaya is like papaya. Papaya. And it's super cheap also. What does papaya mean? It means sweet mango. And it's super cheap also. I mean, it's papaya. And it tastes sweet. Like sweet mangoes. That is like really small, but it's really sweet. It's like super sweet. Crazy. It's like we use it a lot for doing juice. This kind of sweet, small mangoes. But also when I went to Mexico City, they put like really chili spices that are mixed in. Sandra told us. We don't do that stuff. It was really tasty. It was really good. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it sounds like chili. No, we do it with the mango, the green mango. But we put like pepper and salt. No, we put also like tajin. But tajin was like after, like later, I don't know. I don't know. Because in my childhood, we didn't do that. It was like after, I don't know. I don't know. Mexican stuff will start to come to Colombia. That's true. I mean, Mexican food is really good. And like in Colombia, when I went back to Bogota last year, it was full of tacos places and stuff like that Because it's a very Colombian way When McDonald's came to Turkey for the first time they made a like Doner burger It's a burger with that bread? No Wow They started very bold But the street food in Colombia is really bold Like juicy things like at most cities Oh yeah, like the food from the coast. Like. Sarchipapas. Sarchipapas. But it's like. Oh my God. It's like a monster. But in a plate. It's like full of meat. Full of sausages. Fries. Fries. Full of sauces. Cheese. Like a lot of cheese. And it's like huge. It's a mountain. It's a mountain. It's nasty. It's a bit of nasty. It's nasty. Chicken meat. Pork. A lot of sauces. A lot of cheese and it's like huge it's a mountain it's a mountain it's a bit of a nasty you can eat um a lot of sauces and what is sometimes they put like corn ah corn yeah yeah it's crazy or like burgers you see stuff like really there is also in the coast i don't know if you if you saw it a one pizzeria that calls pizza vomito. I think I heard about it. Yeah, like vomit, vomit. Pizza vomit. But it's like a monstrosity because it has a lot of stuff. It has like this kind of sausages, like I don't know, it's like a monstrosity. Yeah, sometimes I... It gets wild. They get really creative. Like, let's go there. Let's go there. Mmm, true. I will get some grapes. It's fighting here. It also depends. It also depends because there are some regions in Colombia that... Breakfast is just another thing. We have also tamales. Yeah, tamales. I love tamales. You love tamales? But what kind of tamales? The Mexican tamales? Mexican tamales. Like corn, grapes. That tastes a bit like this thing. Yeah, but it's more soft and... That's like envuelto. Yeah, it's like envuelto because Mexican tamales is like flat. Like a fluffy pillow. It's sweet. Our tamales are not sweet. No, our tamales is like... Mexicans can put cheese in it too. Yeah, it's like... But ours have pork. And cheese. And it's like rice Yeah, it's like a... But the ores have pork. And cheese. And it's like rice. And it's like this... It's like a... Like a... I don't know. Like kind of... It's a pillow kind of thing. Like... And you make like... I don't know. I don't know how to explain. But inside is like a green rice, like smashed green rice with chicken and pork and carrot and it's cooked like for a long time no six hours that's why it's green also because it's there it's good but I'm dancing yes I think it sounds similar okay they do like before the night it cooks and next day they usually sell it with the leaves. Yeah. That's amazing. And it's very cheap. It's my lunch every day. And you can find it like in Panarias. Mm. Bakeries. Bakeries. Mm. Is there any Colombian restaurant here in Lens? No. I don't think so. I don't think so. There are so many Turkish restaurants. But heavy meats, like meat heavy restaurant like doner, kebab. I've heard that in Vienna restaurants that make arepas. Yeah, I think in Vienna they're like one or two. They're super expensive I heard. And it's funny because this in Colombia is so cheap. It's the cheapest thing. If you are running out of money, do I. And it's made of corn. So I'm curious how long it is now. Like 45 minutes. Oh, really? So maybe the last questions and I can try to... Okay. We have guests. Babies. No, we have babies. Just go on and I will close the door. Okay, thank you. Is it going well, Rita? Yeah. I feel we can be messed a little bit, Okay, thank you. Is it going well, Rita? Yeah. I feel we can be messed a little bit, but hopefully the sound is going to be good. I love how it would be the sound like... Yeah. You can be different on the side. Like this. When I eat, I don't use to talk. I'm just grabbing and eating and eating. But I still have food in the table, so I would remain quiet. Till it's done. My another question will be about belonging. Like are you looking forward to go back or how do you feel here? Do you feel you found your home here? Like I always wait to go back to Istanbul but while I was there I'm like when am I gonna come because there are so many good people here and good resources yeah yeah same I have the same feeling um when I came back to Colombia there was I was really happy like the whole days I was like with family friends it was really busy days like not like here I was so socially busy weeks but I was also thinking like I didn't know my partner so it was also like I was thinking about him and go back and then so it was a bit of a motivation to work more on topics related from there but here because of the resources yeah because of the facilities and everything. But of course it's hard, like you have your heart divided kind of thing. And also the time difference, like the... This is the most difficult thing, I guess, for communicate with the people there. Yeah, definitely. Yes. But do you see yourself like going back there like for permanently or what do you think? I don't know. It depends. I mean, I would really like to go back because I feel like I have a lot of things to share and I really like living in Colombia despite all the things that are really fucked up. But I really enjoy it. And it's like the place where I grew up and the place where my family and friends are. But also I feel this feeling of being divided. You can see that there are a lot of possibilities and you can create things more easily because people are more open to do sometimes. And despite that it's a small town, it's like a lot of things happening. It's really active. It's really active. And yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And you? I've been here just for months. I surely cannot tell. Yeah, I don't know man. Yes, crazy things just happen in the life of everyone. I'm here because of crazy reasons too. I didn't know... Like crazy reasons? I'm gonna be... I'm the crazy reason. Sorry, sorry. Everyone just... I'm the crazy reason. There's a lot of things that you for sure cannot tell about your future. But for sure I want to be in contact with this town the spider anything that could happen because I feel that I'm starting my real professional career in here like my real mass production my music mass production I'm starting it here like doing music for my active, I don't know, that's my work and I'm starting to do it here. So yeah, for sure I would like to keep touch with this town in the professional way of creating and sharing stuff. But I don't know where and how and anything. I think I'm struggling with that uncertainty. Like I wanna know. When I grow up, I saw my father and mother working 9 to 6. They are doing the same thing over and over again and it seems like it's gonna continue that way but my life is changing constantly. It's good somehow but somehow like I need a little clarity please like yeah the same yeah certain things yeah I understand yeah you don't have the security of feeling a lot of how to say things you have something secured for your life but yes a lot of things just change and change and you just keep on going with the river. Oh, that's a great last sentence of the show right now. Keep going with the river. Shall we? Shall we? Keep going, please. Keep going to the Danube. Like the drifting ducks. Sometimes I just feel like that. I just follow the river. Sometimes. Yeah. There's a 60s Colombian band. Eli and Elizabeth. They play like real 60s music. Amazing. Can you sing? ¿Cómo se llama? Ellos tocan música de los años 60 ¿Puedes cantar? Así que tal vez podamos terminar el show de la alegría Sí, pero no, no, no Hay una canción en ese mismo álbum que dice Soy una nube que la lleva el viento y voy volando sobre el mar y a veces me siento así porque en traducción significa And sometimes I feel like that because in translation it means like I'm a cloud that the wind just blows over this and I'm just flying over the sea. And I feel like, yes, I'm just a cloud and the wind just passed by and it just ended up being some random places that I wouldn't imagine in my life being there and experiencing a lot of crazy things and that's amazing I'm grateful for everything that's going on so far in my life and it's great but for sure it's not I have I have no security at all. Like, I don't know where the money will come from. I don't know where I'm... Nothing, nothing. Nothing is just... I'm just flowing. And that is my heart, too. Just to keep flowing and just not worry about things because things just will end up happening in any ways that's why we are here having breakfast because we're just clouds that end up just scattered in the same place Thanks for coming and sharing all those stories. I really appreciate it. Thank you for inviting me I don't know how to close the show but I don't know what to say we used to have a TV show that was called Muy Buenos Dias and it was like having breakfast and chatting stupid things Muy Buenos Dias but it was like, oh, see all the celebrities in Colombia so it was really shitty chateando, cosas estúpidas Muy buenos días Pero era como, ¿sabes cómo son las celebridades en Colombia? Así que era una persona muy malvada Pero era como, tomando desayuno y era como Muy buenos días ¿Podemos cerrar? Muy buenos días