I would like to invite Lucy and Pablo to stage. They are forming the Pluriversidad Nomada Collective. Lucy, Dr. Ignata and Pablo Celin are part of the Pluriversidad Nomada Collective, which was born from the desire to generate a loving context where different debates and practices can take place around issues that cross us daily. It is a space that takes shelter in the umbrella of art, science, and technology, densifying its use by the location, the context, and its physical connection. Please welcome them both. Thank you very much. and its physical conduction. Please welcome them both. Hello. Hello. Good morning. I want to thank the invitation to this festival. I was here in 2011 for the first time. So I came with a collective called MiniPimerTV. And now we are here with another collective project so it's nice to to think that we are still trying to hack our reality somehow. Okay I want to do a small disclaimer before to start that I am smarter and funnier in Spanish, so if somebody wants to enjoy myself in the best condition, maybe we can talk these days. And okay, we are here as Pluriversidad Nomada. It's a project that I run with Secky Mera and with many collaborators as Mamen Garcia Audi, as Pablo Celin, who is today with me, or Che Roy Meser, among other people. I want to talk a little bit about our past, our first context in which Secky Meira and me, we met in this context in the post-porn scene from Barcelona around 2010, 2008. And I want to show these images. You can change the image. I want to show these images because I know that pornography always attaches attention. always attach the attention. And also because post-porn was our trans-feminist approach to sexuality, but also to technology. We were, I want to, I will try to explain our approach to technology with a conditional operator. If heterosexuality or heterosexual system is like Microsoft in terms of closed codes, then we have to hack it or else we have to explore other forms of codification of sexuality. This was our position at that time. I started to use Linux at that time. time and we were working very like with the bodies but thinking about codes, the codes that were implied in our bodies and sexualities and using Linux. So okay, now I will continue with Pluriversidad Nómada, that is our current project. We are working in Pluriversidad Nómada for our, for, in the last four years. The name, it's a little parodic, because we are playing with the concept of university, but university is based on a universal knowledge. So we are trying to work with a pluriversal knowledge. And nomadic, the other word, it's because, well, it's our situation. We are migrants from the Cono Sur, in my case from Chile, and in Cés, case from Argentina. And Pluriversidad Nómada is mainly an educational project. Diversidad Nomada is mainly an educational project that as in the presentation he said is working in the intersection of art, science, and technology. And we think that pedagogy or education is a very important form of art production a form, a very important form of art production because it is composed by collective creative and cultural practices. So in this project we work through seven institutes. I have to say that Google is doing the translation of this website. If somebody knows a better tool to translate automatically a website, we want to know it. By the moment it's just Google doing it. Well, we have these seven institutes. We work through these seven institutes. I think through these seven institutes we can do whatever we want because we are super open. And in the last year, we were working with the material dimension of Clouds Institute. The structure of our project................... Sí, pero quiero mostrar la estructura del proyecto. La estructura de nuestro proyecto. ¿En qué somos? Trabajamos en una red. Somos Secky Mera y tenemos un grupo de personas de consejo y tenemos muchos colectivos o proyectos alrededor del mundo con los que colaboramos. or projects around the world with which we collaborate. There is Tic Tac, that is part of Tic Tac. So it's a network based in different places. Silo is in Brazil, there are places in Spain because we live in the kingdom of Spain, but there are collectives and projects from many different places, some of them more official, like from the university, some of self-organized, and we are open to add more collaborators to our project. So, the material dimension of clothes, La Dimensión Material de las Nubes, it's a project that we are closing with this book. You can buy the book in the book table there. It's a book that has been written in Spanish, so we did a translation especially for people like you that don't speak Spanish. This project was divided, was composed by three parts. The first one was four workshops. Can you show the workshops, please? Courses? He did the website, but... We did four workshops in which we were thinking in this idea of the material dimension of clothes. It's an idea related to technology, but not only. In these four workshops, we were working In these four workshops, we were working around the different materialities that sustain us, as narratives, technologies, extractivism, environmental crisis, crisis or our relationship with the so-called natural resources like really so-called the relationships between bodies human and non-human living and not living bodies so we did these four four workshops then we did these four workshops. Then we did this website. And we did this book. The website, and Pablo will explain better the website because he programmed it, have an intention to be itself a pedagogical tool, an educational tool, and he will explain it better. Yeah, maybe I give you the... Are you sure that you can manage? I'll try to... If I mess up, you can move it I'll try to, if I mess up, you can move it around in the mouse. Hi, I'm Pablo. I've been working with Lucia, collaborating in different programming projects. I'm an artist, but also a programmer. I have an identity crisis sometimes about the different things that I do, but I usually collaborate with art collectives and artistic projects as a facilitator or programmer because I have the technical knowledge to make websites or to make applications and stuff like that. So, yeah, so for this we started, well, Lucia mostly and the collective started the project of the Pluriversidad Nómada and while it was starting we needed like something to put the information to make it work, to make a tool, we needed a tool a website is a tool so we wanted to build a pedagogical tool but that was also like easy to use that was like not a fancy or not too fancy programming stuff. It's a basic WordPress site with some features that highlight the project of the Pluriversidad. So it's a working tool, but it's also a pedagogical tool. It's both things at the same time. So it has some things that are like particular about this site, like we have like, let me see where to start. It has this, well, what you see here, that is like the way the tags of the site connect each other, it's like a graph tool, it's like a graph visualization tool that takes all the tags that the content uses and relates them between who, where are they shared, like which tags are shared between the content. That's a way of data visualization of the content of the site, that's one part. And the other part that we have is like, we thought of accessibility, but not the traditional web accessibility, or maybe yes, but most focused on bandwidth and data consumption. So we wanted to make like, to think about it and to reflect about it in the way the website was made. So we made a switch that can toggle the site into a low consumption mode. So we can turn the site and turn off the scripts, turn off the images and make the website work in a kind of low budget data mode. Thinking about the different geographic conditions where you can access internet. So that's one part. So you can switch between high consumption or low consumption in any part of the site. And with that, we also worked in a way of calculating the data consumption. And that was, like, a hard part about, like, what we had to research, what implied, like, where's the energy consumption and how can we measure that stuff? And we started, like, looking up for different ways of calculating. And it's always, like like it's not a hard data, what are you, how many energy are you consuming with each visit. So we tried to build, where are you, oh, okay. So we made like this tool that calculates the energy consumption and relates it to any domestic activity. So we can have here the budget of the energy that you have for the website, and the equivalent to a normal activity. I hate the whole thing. So you can see the percentage of something, like for example, of printing a newspaper, like is it this 0.0, I don't know how to say the percentage, of printing a newspaper, or you can switch between different activities. Like if I click here, where is it working? Let me see in the high version. So here you can see how the, here. I think the translator is missing. Well, okay, but it's the budget of the energy that you spent in the visiting the website. And it can be reflected in like in the, for example, in here in the toolkit you can see how much energy the images or how much like, and you can see the activity and the measure. And we built these tools, like, thinking also, like, to be able to integrate these tools in different other websites. Like, we made them as, like, an open source project that can be, like, plugged in into other sites. So, like, here, yeah. other sites. So like here, yeah. And here is like the documentation of all the things that we researched about the data consumption. We are using Carbono as a material to measure the spend. How do you say? The spend. But if you know, Carbono is a convention to measure the the spend but if you know well, carbono is a convention I think from mainly from the north because with carbono they are like buying the production of carbono to other countries that don't produce a lot so carbono is a little tricky as a measure because or not not, but it's very related with pollution and with this economy impact, for example, to say, please tell us next days? Yeah, so about the website, it's pretty much, I think, it, like the energy tool, the network tool, and the budget, the switcher, like the data versions. And yeah, I don't know about the website. I think I'm ready. So the website was part of the, this website was part of the project, the material dimension of clouds. The third part is the book. The book, as I said, was written in Spanish. We have also some Spanish versions here. The 90% of authors are from different countries, from Abia Yala, Latin America, Chile, Argentina, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil. So for us, it was an interesting exercise to talk about this material dimension of clouds with people that are not from the European context. I think maybe, or it's an hypothesis, maybe this condition may produce that the issues that we are talking about, to talk about materiality, about the material dimension of clouds are related to so many different issues as memory rocks bodies writings the networks of different species etc so I will yes I will I will give the mic to Pablo to explain a little bit more about the book. Okay, yeah. So the book is like, we were talking with Lucia yesterday about the book about, it's mostly essays but it has like a story. A story about trying to build materiality about ethereal subjects. So there's different, like the book starts with a text by Ikiyos Pina, she's from the Caribbean diaspora, and she starts talking about the matter of bodies, in particular the matter of the sediment of bodies that were thrown in the ocean, in the Atlantic trade between the colonies. I don't know how to explain that, but it's how this sediment of bodies and bones affects other species, especially the gray whales, and how this is a relation between the, well, it's a really, like, powerful image, but it's mostly the relation between different species and how these bodies that are, like, fugitives from the colonials, that people who threw themselves or were thrown into the sea, how their sediments affected other species and how there was a communication between them. And that's the start of the, that's one of the first essays of the book. And then it starts like getting into another like ethereal it starts getting into another ethereal or unexplained or immaterial things, like in a text by Lucrezia Masson, she proposes leaving Western colonial investigation and proposes an exercise to engage in communication with another species, in this case, cows, and to, in a way of communicating with your body and staying together with the cows and how you can enable a different kind of investigation and a different kind of research. And then we start turning into other subjects, the other text by Kina Mathno, and she talks about plant internet and how is the plant internet is an opposite to the human internet that I'm, I think I'm now, I'm not sure the human internet is fully human, it's mostly a human and bot internet, but how the human internet and is, that is extractivist, sorry for using the word again, and is competitive, how it's contraposed to plant internet, especially dealing with the Kina talks about the Mikorisa and how the networks of Mikorisa work and how plants communicate and share information. In the next text, so you can see the progression of different subjects of immateriality, communication between species. And the next text goes in a similar fashion, but around bacteria and talks about the different tech studies of using bacteria for internet and how that approach can be twisted and switched between and why are we using bacteria for internet? Why don't we use the network of bacteria for the benefit of the bacteria themselves? So it tries to switch that, to try to twist the utilitarian tech approach to using other species or to using biology or for using the benefit of the same species of our shared mutualism collaboration. And after that, there's a text that Lucia and I wrote around all the talks that we have built in the website. And also what happened in my experience working as a programmer in a company and dealing with cloud infrastructure and how the symbolic approach of the cloud concept, of the cloud computing concept, and how the server concept is starting to disappear and how the material computer that once we had, I've been working as a programmer for websites like for I think 10 years or something, how we had a server and now we're starting to make the server disappear into the cloud concept of infrastructure and what is this telling us about how our internet is getting shaped all the all the all the concept of the cloud in from the marketing standpoint and also from the conceptual and symbolic and metaphorical stand and lastly in the I'm only talking about the first part of the book on the basis of the first part of the book and but the first part closes with an article by Val Flores, or an essay by Val Flores, stating about, with a talk about pedagogy, and it's like, that is like the main, like the substance of Pluriversidad Nómada, pedagogy, and pedagogy as a, stating pedagogical practice as an imaginative action, as also, or as Lucia talked, as an artistic practice, pedagogy as art. And also, as a disorganizat, as a, sorry, I have trouble with long words, disorganizative, I don't know if that word exists, but disorganization, your knowledge or your unknowledge via pedagogical practices. So the book is not a book with solutions. It's like mostly it's a book with different problems. Yeah, it shows a lot of problems, but it also tells a story. And the second part is one other part of the story, and it's related to the workshops that were made around these subjects. So in there, the people who participate in the workshops, some of them share some content about it in different shapes. Like there's some essays, or there's also some poetry or some experimental texts. And it's a nice counterpoint to the other essays. So with this book, you can get also like a grasp of what we're trying to mean with the material dimension of clouds. It's like the material dimension of ethereal subjects mostly. And I think that's from the book. In general, to close this part called untruly lecture, I... Here is the password. In general, in this project, I need the password. Here is the password. In general, in this project, we wanted to be critical with this notion called climate change, because of different reasons. One of them is when we talk about climate change, it's like we are talking about weather and whether somehow it's out of our control. Like it happens today, it's nice, tomorrow maybe not, so we cannot control it. I want to quote a thing that I heard in a podcast some days ago that was saying Yasnaya Elena Aguilar saying, I don't know if you know her work, it's a Mije linguistic from the land called Oaxaca in Mexico. that climate change is composed by three oppressions like that are patriarchy, colonialism, and capitalism. And these three oppressions are super interconnected because it was really funny, I will tell you, because she was saying, if you are just against patriarchy, you are Hillary Clinton. If you are just against capitalism, you are Hillary Clinton, if you are just against capitalism you are Che Guevara, and if you are just against colonialism you are like the cover of Vogue magazine. So you have to interconnect these three oppressions and climate change is based on these three oppressions but we prefer to talk about extractivism or ecocide. Yesterday night there was this question from Kim about extractivism. I think it's really important that we start to define the word because we can say extractivism until this concept will be really empty. So for me extractivism, and we can discuss it, it's based on an unequal relation of power. It could be a state relation, a personal relation, of power, could be a state relation, a personal relation, a company, with a company inside. And it's when in this unequal relation, one position, the most powerful position, takes advantage of the other to get more power, more richness, more resources. I really, it's difficult to me to call it resources because I think it's not the correct word, but it's a conventional word. And I think that a good antidote to extractivism is reciprocity. The practice of non-accumulation and this is very it's a very difficult thing it's not so easy to practice the reciprocity but well many people from other places are talking about reciprocity and when we talk about extractivism or about ecocide, we are talking about an extractivism that is related to body and to territories, like knowledge, spirituality, many, many different things. Materials, but I also think that knowledge is very material somehow. So to close this part of our presence here, I want to say that I think it's not so important to think in the future. Another reason because of why we are critical with climate change is because climate change is a result of something. It's not... When we talk about climate change, we are talking about the last part of the story. So we need to go... Atrás? Like, back? Yeah, we have to go back. And it's not so important to think in the future now. I think it's more important to think in the past, to think what we did as a species in the past or as a power position that brings us to this present and how to repair somehow. In this sense, I don't but many, many indigenous thinkers are talking a lot about this idea of that the future is ancestral and I think we have to produce a disorder in the time, as we know the time, as a progressive, with a progressive linearity, we have to disorder is in order to survive somehow. And something that the last thing that I want to add is related to extractivism and it is something that I was speaking with Kim before this talk. do an argument about this, but I think it's important to notice that the approach to extractivism produce rage. And then, yes, we are angry and we are in pain because of this, but even pain have been stalled. So even pain and even emotions are something that have been extracted somehow. So I think we have to talk about this, and we have to talk also about this material dimension of emotions in all this problem. So this will be my last word.