Terra FM. Teacher Education Radio Austria. Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. Gott sei Dank haben wir es geschafft und wir dürfen Sie ganz herzlich begrüßen im Studio in der Hohemerstraße auf PHTV und auf Radio Froh bei Terra FM. Mein Name ist Daniel Diewald. Ich bin Lehramtsstudent in Linz auf der PH und auf der HKU. Ich bin Lehramtsstudent in Linz auf der BH und auf der HKU. Und ich bin heute Moderator. Und ich habe einen Grund zu feiern, weil das erste Mal, wo ich hier im Studio moderiert habe, war vor einem Jahr die Edits. Damals war mit den Gewinnern gesprochen, aber das war mein erstes Mal. Und deswegen ist es extrem schön für mich, heute wieder hier sein zu dürfen mit zwei wundervollen Gästen. Darf ich euch vielleicht kurz bitten, dass ihr euch vorstellt. Ja, danke Daniel. Mein Name ist Paul, das ist Paul Breit und ich studiere auch Lehramt und auch hier in Linz. Und ja, ich habe auch letztes Jahr an der Edit mitgewirkt und einen Kurzfilm gemeinsam mit Christina im Team produziert und ja, es waren tolle Erfahrungen und ich freue mich, dass wir heuer wieder dabei sein dürfen, können, müssen, wie auch immer, aber es macht uns auch sehr viel Spaß und Freude, also das passt ganz gut und man lernt extrem viel, also ich freue mich schon wieder auf dieses Jahr. Dankeschön, Paul. Christina, wer bist du? Mir ist mal der Paul und jetzt, weil du schon vorweg genommen hastön, Paul. Christina, wer bist du? Ich bin bei der Paul und jetzt, weil du schon vorweggenommen hast, ich heiße Christina, studiere logischerweise dann auch Lehramt und bin jetzt eben mit dem Paul zum zweiten Mal bei der Edit dabei. Und auch die Sophie ist bei uns im Team, die sitzt an der Technik draußen heute. Genau. Und? Wir waren so schön aufgeregt, gell, von der Edit. Ja, wieso denn? Wir haben jetzt ein Wort in den Raum geschmissen, das ich noch gar nicht introduced habe, nämlich die Edit. Viele von unseren Zuhörerinnen und Zuhörern und Zuschauerinnen und Zuschauern werden wahrscheinlich wissen, was die Edit ist, aber nicht alle. Deswegen wollen wir vielleicht nochmal ganz kurz erklären, worum es da geht. Die Edit ist eine educational, ja, es hat mit Video Challenge, ja. Es ist auf jeden Fall ein Wettbewerb, wo es um Videos mit einem pädagogischen Mehrwert geht. da nehmen Hochschulen von ganz Europa teil tatsächlich. Das hat das ganze hat der Herr Christian Kogler, der viel ein Begriff ist, unter anderem ins Leben gerufen mit einer weiteren Person, die wir später noch vorstellen werden, einem Ehrengast, den wir heute begrüßen dürfen. Paul, die Edith. Was ist die Edith aus Sicht eines Studenten? Also deine Sichtweise logischerweise. Meine Sichtweise, okay. Edit ist schwierig. Es ist eine tolle Erfahrung zum ersten Mal. Man hat fünf Tage Zeit, um einen Kurzfilm zu drehen und von der Produktion, die ganze Vorarbeit mit Skript überlegen, was wollen wir überhaupt mit einem Konzept machen und dann überlegen, die ganze filmische Setting, wo wird was gedreht, wie wird was gedreht und dies in fünf Tagen zu produzieren, war für uns letztes Jahr doch auch eine Challenge. Deswegen Video-Challenge. Ja, auf jeden Fall. Aber auch extrem spannend, weil wir haben extrem viel gelernt. Ich hatte das Vergnügen, letztes Jahr in unserem Film die Hauptrolle zu spielen. Und es war eine echt tolle Erfahrung, sich da hineinzuversetzen und versuchen, dieses Thema und die Emotionen etc. so gut wie möglich und bestmöglich rüberzubringen. Und da habe ich viel gelernt. Leider hatte ich da nicht so den direkten Einblick in die Technik oder die Kameraführung, Sounds etc. Aber trotzdem habe ich meinen Teil gelernt und dann geht es weiter natürlich auch in die Post-Production, sagt man glaube ich, ja. Abarbeitung, ja. Und mit dem Schneiden und Zusammenfügen, wir haben Stunden verbracht, wir haben bis in die Nacht hineingearbeitet letztes Jahr. Ja, das war wirklich eine Challenge, wortwörtlich. Ja, so viel zu meiner Erfahrung. Ja, das Ganze ist ja sehr interessant aufgebaut. Vielleicht geben wir das Wort an Christine. Das Ganze fängt an mit drei Wörtern, die wir am Mittwoch bekommen. Drei Keywords. Und diese drei Keywords müssen wir irgendwie in den Film einbauen und dann ja einen pädagogischen Mehrwert bringen. vielleicht so dann, das ist die eine Voraussetzung und die zweite ist, was für eine Vorausbildung hattest du letztes Jahr vor Erfahrung, als du zur Edit gekommen bist? Ich meine, du machst das Erweiterungsstudium, bist im Rahmen vom Erweiterungsstudium dann reingerutscht. Ja, reingerutscht beschreibt es ganz gut, glaube ich. Ja, wir haben vorher natürlich ein paar theoretische Kurse gehabt, das heißt Filmanalyse, Filmgenres. Also du hast irgendwo im Hinterkopf ein paar ganz, ganz viele Begriffe, die du eventuell einbauen möchtest in deinen Film. Und dann ist es so, wie es bei mir war, nimmst du das erste Mal eine Kamera in den Tamperell. Die ist ja schwer, das ist ja viel größer als mein Handy und das kann doch auch filmen. Beim Handy zoom ich so zu, dann ist mir gleich mal gesagt, man zoomt dann mal gar nicht mit der Kamera. Genau, ja, ins kalte Wasser geschmissen und unglaublich viel gelernt, würde ich sagen, letztes Jahr. Heuer schon ein bisschen lockerer. Weil das zweite Mal und... Genau, das zweite Mal und einfach ein bisschen entspannter und man weiß, auf was man sich einlässt, sagen wir so. man weiß, auf was man sich einlässt. Genau, weil ja, das ist ja eins der großen Elemente vom Christian, dass er die Leute ins kalte Wasser reinschmeißt und sagt, hey, macht's an Füm, da habt ihr das Zeug, sonst wie viel braucht's, dann meldet's euch. Wie oft habt ihr euch denn da letztes Jahr beim Christian oder generell bei seinem Team um Hilfe geschrien? Puh, ja schon. Sind das Erinnerungen, die ihr verdrängt habt? Wir haben letztes Jahr unter anderem auch das erste Mal mit dem Gimbal gearbeitet. Das heißt, da haben wir ein paar Mal Hilfe gebraucht. Unter anderem haben wir zum Beispiel auch in Didi um eins in der Früh einen Greenscreen aufbauen lassen und ihn beim Abgeben eine Stunde vorher in die Nummer anrufen, weil das Format nicht stimmt hat oder so. Also ich glaube, wir haben es genug gefordert. Oder Paul, was sagst du? Ja, also wir haben sowohl unsere Gehirnzellen auch als die Gehirnzellen unserer Betreuer da wirklich wirklich bis an die Grenzen getrieben. Aber ich glaube, wir waren zum Schluss sehr zufrieden mit unserem Endprodukt und wir haben die Hilfe wirklich, wirklich sehr gern angenommen und es war eine große, große Unterstützung. Aber natürlich ist das ins kalte Wasser schmeißen echt etwas Cooles, weil man lernt so viel von durch den Austausch, weil wir haben zu fünft eine Gruppe gehabt. Die Gruppe war Bestand aus fünf Personen und der Austausch war einfach gemeinsam. Jeder hat so viele Ideen und jeder denkt, vielleicht kann man das so filmen oder das Setting oder das Licht wäre so vielleicht besser. Und ja, das ist ein toller und reger Austausch und so lernt man auch extrem viel. Es gibt ja dieses Sprichwort, probieren geht lieber studieren. Und ich glaube, das trifft da extrem gut zu. Weil so Kamera-Film, das muss man einfach ausprobieren. Du musst eine Kamera in die Hand nehmen, damit du mal schauen, was passiert, wenn ich das oder das mache. Und es sind letztes Jahr ziemlich viele coole Videos gekommen und wir sind gespannt, was dieses Jahr rauskommt. Ich weiß nicht, weiß er von euch, wie groß die Gruppe ist? Also es waren ja beide Teilnehmer. Wie viele Gruppen es jetzt insgesamt gibt, ich weiß es nicht. Aber wir haben eine größere Gruppe auf jeden Fall als letztes Jahr. Es werden sicher mehr Videos produziert werden. Medienpädagogik, Pflichtfach müssen die auch teilnehmen und viele Wahlfächer sind dabei. Auch aus der Primarstufe haben wir auf jeden Fall eine Studentin oder sogar mehrere vielleicht. Und Erasmus haben wir viele. Und nachdem das Ganze ja international ist, was halt extrem cool ist, wird ganz viel da auf Englisch auch gemacht. Christina, wenn am Mittwoch oder als am Mittwoch um 12 Uhr die Keywords gedroppt worden sind, habt ihr euch im Zug gemeinsam mit großer Erwartung, was ich so mitbekommen habe, das Video angeschaut, wo die vorgestellt worden sind. Wie seid ihr dann vorgegangen? Wie fängt man dabei sowas jetzt an? Wie fängt man dabei sowas jetzt an? Wie fängt man an? Ja, als erstes das Video, zweites mein Anspiel. Und dann, also natürlich schwirren einem ganz, ganz viele Ideen, gerade wenn man schon mal dabei war bei der Edit im Kopfraum. Über die Themen möchte ich gern irgendwann einmal reden. Und da hat sich für uns eigentlich schon, bevor wir Keywords gehabt haben, irgendwo so eine Richtung entwickelt. und die Keywords haben uns natürlich dann bei dieser Richtung total in die Karten gespielt, das heißt, das war dann super. Ich sage jetzt natürlich noch nicht, in welche Richtung wir gehen, immerhin haben wir ja trotzdem nur Konkurrenz. Genau. Und dann versucht man einfach das Konzept, das man irgendwo im Kopf hat, über das man reden will, um diese das man irgendwo im Kopf hat, über das man reden will, um diese Keywords herumzulegen, dass das bestmöglich funktioniert und passt und genau, dann irgendwie zu einem super Kurzfilm hoffentlich. Genau, das heißt, ihr habt euch einmal Ideen ein bisschen brainstormen und dann wird man konkret und habt ihr begonnen zu planen. Ja, genau. Also die Idee war eben davor schon vorhanden und gestern haben wir dann auch so Szenen gleich, wie wir uns sie vorstellen, geordnet und nebenbei auch gleich ein Skript geschrieben. Und wir waren viel strukturierter, also finde ich, sind jetzt viel strukturierter als beim ersten Mal, was uns jetzt natürlich sehr in die Karten spielt. Ich habe zum Beispiel heute schon, oder gemeinsam haben wir heute schon Sounds gesucht, die wir einbauen können in unsere Szenen und es wird dann in der Post-Production einfach, haben wir viel mehr Zeit zum Beispiel als letztes Jahr und das haben wir gelernt, dass wir einfach strukturierter sind und ja, Christina, du möchtest was sagen? Also ich glaube, ein Lerneffekt, den wir auf jeden Fall gehabt haben, ist, dass wir realistischer geworden sind von dem, was man wirklich umsetzen kann, in so einem wirklich ganz kurzen Zeitraum und was uns dann auch das ermöglicht, dass wir das in der Post-Production überhaupt machen. Also wir haben letztes Jahr ganz, ganz viele tolle Ideen gehabt, wie ich finde, die aber dann einfach beim Umsetzen der Post-Production wahnsinnig schwierig waren und wir sind heuer einfach schon mit ein bisschen mehr Köpfchen, möchte ich fast sagen, rangegangen und haben uns dann gleich überlegt, wie könnte man das filmen und wie könnte man das dann auch in der Post-Production umsetzen und ich finde, das ist ein sehr großer Lerneffekt von dem, was wir gehabtoppt haben her. Das ist so wie We'll fix it in post. Da spricht jeder Postproducer, der im Schnittraum sitzt, zusammenzucken lässt. Das ist so eines der Dinge, die man nie sagen darf. Eigentlich immer versuchen, dass man es am Set macht. Aber man lernt natürlich extrem viel, indem man es ausprobiert. Und wenn man eine gewisse Erfahrung hat, dann weiß man, was möglich ist und was nicht. Und das ist sicher etwas, was man extrem oft unterschätzt. So, wie lang das Ganze dann auch wirklich dauert und wie viel Arbeit tatsächlich dahinter steckt. Ja, extrem, finde ich auch. Und du hast es ja auch schon angesprochen, du bist ja auch selbst Student und bist auch mit bei der Edit. Genau, ich bin auch. Du hast es ja auch schon angesprochen, du bist ja auch selbst Student und bist auch mit bei der Edit und wie war es für dich? Und jetzt haben wir von unseren Erfahrungen gesprochen, jetzt würde es uns natürlich auch für schlechte Zuhörerinnen und Zuhörer und Zuschauer auch interessieren, wie es für dich war. Ja, ich meine, ich komme ein bisschen aus einem anderen Background als ihr. Ich habe ja schon Erfahrung im Filmemachen per se, ich bin öfters auf Events unterwegs und habe schon diverse Hochzeitsreportagen durchgeführt und Aufträge gemacht. Insofern war jetzt rein die Kamera und die Technik nicht mehr so schwierig. Ich habe das ganze Equipment einfach selber mitgebracht. Wettbewerbe habe ich noch gar nicht gesehen. dann haben wir gesagt, ja, ja, wir sind schon fertig, wir schneiden morgen, wir machen das gleich alles, ich habe alles selber dabei. Das war viel einfacher, aber was uns letztes Jahr dann ein bisschen auf den Kopf gefallen ist, war dieser pädagogische Mehrwert. War nicht so eindeutig. Und das ist was, was wir dieses Jahr besser machen wollen, dass wir wirklich mehr lernen können. Auch, dass der Zuschauer mehr Lerneffekt dabei hat. Und da habe ich extrem viel gelernt, weil ich habe immer das, was ich vor der Linse gekriegt habe, gefilmt. Und jetzt muss ich mir plötzlich darüber nachdenken, was wir denn vor der Linse überhaupt haben. Und jetzt möchte ich ganz kurz Musik in meinen Ohren und auch in ihren Ohren haben und bitte die Regie, dass sie mein Bild und meinen Ton mit Musik austauscht. Wir werden uns gleich wieder hören und sehen. Bis dann. Dear Maria, count me in There's a story at the bottom of this bottle And I'm the pen When the lights go off I wanna watch the way you Take the stage by storm The way you rub those boys around your finger Go on and play the leader Cause you know it's what you're good at The low rows for the fast track Make every second last Cause I got your picture, I'm coming with you Dear Maria, count me in There's a story at the bottom of this bottom And I'm a bad, make it count When I'm the one who's selling you out Cause it feels like stealing hearts Calling your name from the crowd crowd music music music music music music music music music music music music music music Another tale of the American dream I see your name in lights We can make you a star Girl, we'll take the world by storm It isn't that hard Cause I got your picture I'm coming with you, dear Maria Count me in There's a story at the bottom Of this puddle and I'm a bird Make it count when I'm the one who's selling you out Cause it feels like stealing hearts are in an end from the crowd Take a breath, don't it sound so easy? Ha ha! Take a breath, don't it sound so easy? Never out of doubt, now I'm going crazy Watching from the floor Take a breath and let the rest come easy Never settle down, cause the cash flow leaves me Always wanting more Cause I got your picture, I'm coming with you Dear Maria, come me in There's a story at the bottom of this bottle And I'm the man making crap When I'm the one who's selling you out Cause it feels like stealing I'm calling your name from the crowd Cause I got your picture, I'm coming with you Ich sage dir, dass du es hast, weil es fühlt sich an, als ob du in der Kraft stehst. Du bist nie in der Gruppe, weil ich deine Bilder habe. Ich komme mit dir, liebe Maria, komm mit mir. Es gibt eine Geschichte am Boden dieser Bottle. Was sich alles verändern kann in so kurzer Zeit. Jetzt habe ich die Gäste komplett ausgetauscht bekommen. Wir haben auch einen Gast dazugeschaltet bekommen. Und nur ich bin gleich geblieben unter Studio. bekommen und nur ich bin gleich geblieben und das Studio. Ja, and I'm going to switch to English now, because we have got, as I've announced before, a special guest. He will join in a few minutes. So, we're going to speak German as long as he will come. Genau. Meine neuen Gäste sind Herr Professor Kogler. Lieber Christian, freut mich sehr, dass du da bist. Hallo, grüß dich, Daniel. Nett, dass ich da sein darf. In dieser Rolle wieder, also nicht in der Moderation, glücklicherweise heute, bei diesen Troubles, sondern als Studiogast, wo ich mich eigentlich um nichts kümmern müsste. Ich habe jetzt bewusst, ich habe das Handy ausgeschaltet, ich schalte es jetzt wieder ein, weil ich jetzt nicht ganz sicher bin, ob wir unseren Gast aus Finnland, ob das alles funktioniert. Weil um das drehen sich sozusagen ein bisschen die Probleme heute. Wir versuchen die ganze Zeit, das technisch zu lösen. Anscheinend haben sie es geschafft, die Technik ist geschafft. Ein massenhaftes Thumbs up. That's awesome. Hello, I'm so sorry. Please, Janis, Die Technik ist geschafft. Das ist ein nassenhaftes Thumbs up. but I'm not hearing anything. I see that you're talking. Do our guests hear you? You can hear us, Janne. Can you hear us? Can you check your mic settings? Is that all right? Is the microphone allowed? These are the usual troubles with live streaming. More than usual I'd say. So as we have had in the first 10 minutes, there were big problems Christian and you were able to solve them. We together, so not me, I mean the whole team out there. Wir zusammen, nicht nur ich. Das ganze Team da draußen. Sie machen es wirklich gut. Vielleicht werde ich draußen helfen und vielleicht können Sie ein bisschen sprechen. Ja, ich werde Katharina vorstellen. Nehmen Sie das Mikrofon. Dann werden wir wieder kurz zu Deutsch zurück wechseln. Christian wird gleich wieder zurückkommen. Katharina, das ist jetzt ein bisschen unfair. Wir sind in einem Team bei der Edit. Ja. Und vorher habe ich die ganzen geheimen Infos von der... Janis, kannst du uns jetzt hören? Ich kann, kannst du mich hören? Ja, das ist unglaublich. Danke an unsere unglaublichen Techniker. Janis, can you hear us now? I can. Can you hear me? Yes, that's amazing. Thanks to our amazing technicians. Janis, let's start where we have stopped before. Can you introduce yourself? Sure. Hello, everybody. My name is Jan Nelansitie. I am from Finland, fairly far up in the north, but I would say from in the middle of Finland, from Oulu, which is about a little bit north from central Oulu. And I work in the University of Applied Sciences School of Professional Teacher Education in Oulu, Finland. And with Mr. Christian Körgler, we've been running Edit Educational Video Challenge for 11 years. Yeah, that's amazing. I've spoken about that like 50 minutes ago, that you and Christian have started Edit. And now you can look onto us. We're like a product of Edit. We've been there one year. We're doing it second time today um maybe you can tell us about how did you start what what were the thoughts and what did you tell each other how did it come to that you teamed up i mean from austria and finland two young men starting edits. I want to say thank you for mentioning that you two young men started. Thank you so much. It made my day. You're young today and 11 years in the past. This is a long time. I've been in school back then. Yeah, but Christian, I think two things were connecting us. First of all, I was doing a teacher exchange, Erasmus exchange in Linz. Our universities were already partner universities. And I think Christian and myself, we were kind of both a little bit frustrated about this educational tourism that, you know, that university teachers, they just travel to another country, to another university. They go there and say hello, have a dinner together, have a glass of wine. They return to their home country and never end up doing anything with that relationship that they just built. So that was kind of our realization together that now that we actually made friends, why don't we continue working together? And we had a combining factor. We were both into films. We were really kind of like we like media. We like movies. We like cinema. So once we learned that from each other, it was kind of a good time maybe 10 12 years ago it was a good time for the video online videos really on the rise and realizing the world here's a common theme that we are both already interested in and we both feel like that after this international cooperation between universities we should build something on on that between universities, we should build something on that. That's amazing. And I think a lot of students are enjoying it. I also think, if I can add that, it created a spirit, didn't it, Janne? The first person the spirit was caught by was Petra from Mainz in Germany. And then there were others, sometimes coming, sometimes going. And it's mostly also you. When I see you working, and there are teams working outside now and filming, and when I see the excitement and the engagement, which is actually far more than the usual engagement in a normal university course, then I really kind of see that we've created something kind of which must have obviously a spirit. Maybe because you have talked about it, Katharina, you're one of the participants. How does edit is different in the spirit compared to normal lectures? Yeah, I mean, you just have a lot more freedom. I mean, you do get the keywords and you need to adjust to them. But after that, you just have complete freedom as long as you stay in a pedagogic context. And that just really gives so much space for creative solutions, for working together, for solving problems and just exploring your surroundings, exploring your university, getting to know new people and just creating something you're proud of in the end, which was completely amazing last year. And I hope that this year will be the same. Yeah, we're in the middle of the process. And we have already talked about the keywords. And I'm very interested about how you came up with the idea of just giving three keywords, which have to be used in the movies afterwards. So can you tell us about how you came up with this concept of giving keywords and five days and then... Do you remember, Aido? Well, we did discuss that, even though we know that we do want to have educational videos. That was obviously the beginning idea. We also wanted to have something that puts all the participants from different countries under the same umbrella that we are working on this together. Even though we're in different countries and don't necessarily see each other's, but we will see each other's videos. So at least based on the keywords and the theme, we end up seeing that we were kind of doing the same thing, even though we were in the different countries. And obviously, there's the idea also that you cannot pre-make it. You have to do it once you learn the keywords. That's right yeah how many countries are there this year do you do you know I think it's eight isn't it might be I'm not actually quite sure yeah well there obviously there was a last minute problem in Stendon, so I think it might be seven then. It's the University of Aberdeen, University of Northampton in the UK, so Scotland. Now it depends if we count Scotland as one country. Sure, yes. And then there is Mainz in Germany, and there is Oulu hopefully, and there is University of the Aegeans on the Greek island of Rhodes, and there is Oulu hopefully and there is University of the Aegeans on the Greek island of Rhodes and there is Babes Polvai University in Cluj in Romania and was there anything else? I see, yeah, I was counting that I always forget us over the years I think we've had 11 countries and 12 different universities participating. And I guess we've always been open for growing. And at the same time, we know that we've been putting this together with, how can I say politely without saying anything bad about our organization? How can I say politely without saying anything bad about our organization? We've been keeping this together with individual persons, passion and working hours. We haven't relied on any big funding instruments. We haven't relied on our universities making any big decisions or funding this event. It's really been about people wanting to work together and i i think that's a good reminder for everybody who wants to to do international cooperation that you don't always need the you know big eu program you don't always need a lot of funding you don't always need that bureaucracy through universities working for you it's enough that you find people, like-minded people, who want to do something together. Yeah, I think this is a very good point, maybe to Katarina, because we two are participants, and for me, for myself, I can talk, I don't know whether there are prizes this year, I mean, I know that there were used to be prizes for the first place. I don't know whether it is this year. But for myself, I'm not participating because I want to win something. It's because this is an excellent opportunity to learn something. So, Katharina, I mean, you have to do it because of the Erweiterungsstudium in English, the study program. But you're not just doing it because you have to, right? I'm not doing it just to win something. It's an amazing experience. And I started the study program because I was interested in film and radio. because I was interested in film and radio, and I wanted to do something at university with that passion of mine. And so it's just, I mean, this year we also have an amazing team. We had an amazing team last year, and we have an amazing team this year, so I'm very lucky to be in your team again. this year so I'm very lucky to be in your team again and it's just the experience you get outweighs any prize you could get. I think it's as you said it's about participating about learning and not about having very large funds and EU programs giving money to us to make it happen, because we are having the spirit. And I think that's a very big part of what you need to build something like that. Right, Christian? That's what we love to hear, Janne, isn't it? That's exactly what we like to hear. But I think I can see that it is that way. Exactly what we like to hear. But I think I can see it, that it is that way. And yeah, if we achieve that, then the goal is there. I mean, we would love to have prices. We would love to award you thousands of dollars or whatever. Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to get money for that. And from my perspective, and I think Janne probably will agree, it's not getting easier. It's rather getting more difficult. I don't actually know why. Because our countries, or most of our countries, are still rich countries. So I'm not really sure where the money is going. I don't know if you know. But it's definitely, obviously not going into education but you know at least it is a good model for all the teachers students who end up being teachers some in small schools some in bigger schools it's a model of still making things happen even if you don't have a lot of resources and that's probably the situation in many schools you don't suddenly get thousands of euros to do a passion project of yours you end up working with with whatever equipment the school has or whatever contacts you have in your school and that's who you work with so maybe maybe that's uh experience that teacher teachers will carry with them during their career sure and i mean uh even especially nowadays when the mobile phones are getting better and better the cameras are really amazing nowadays it gets uh more easy or easier to to produce, even with students, because you don't need this big fancy camera, which costs thousands of euros. You can take a smartphone and create something together. And it's about... Yeah, that's also the general idea. That was the idea from the beginning. We still have, on the website, we still have the original kind of teaser video for EDIT. I think where it actually says, I think it was Blair and you and me doing it, wasn't it, Jane? Yeah, it probably was, yeah. Use whatever you have. Use whatever you have. That's a big part of the idea. And I mean, we have to say thank you to our student union. I mean, they bought us, they bought the new camera for edit so the student union used actually student union budget because they they also think it's a great project you know so this year we have a second uh one one more camera actually which they basically bought because of edit yeah yeah that's amazing and you know, I'm particularly proud that during those two pandemic years, when so many of the regular activities stopped, we didn't. We still kind of made small groups who ended up making fun educational videos together. And I felt like so many schools were missing out that element of doing something fun together as a part of educational experience. and we already had this model ready we didn't have to come up with something new or react to new situation but edit was already running that way for years before that and we could just say that okay we will do it just as we did before you just can't come at the studio everybody at the same time but we will make small group videos just like before. That's very interesting what I wanted to ask too about the history of edit. How did edit change? Did it change in the last 11 years? So how were the first years? How is it going now? Well, it changed insofar that in the beginning it was very small. I think the first edit was basically only us, wasn't it? But the international component was the jury. Janne was the jury, wasn't it, in the first one? It might have been, yeah. I think so. But then the second one, it was already three. And then it grew and grew, and the maximum was 11. Now we are a little bit down again, but I hope we go up again. So it's always a little bit also depending, I think strongly depending on people at the individual universities who want to carry on. And sometimes people change, move on to something else and and then nobody takes over. Or sometimes structures change. So it's a living thing. But we're still going. And many people didn't think that it would go for 11 years, I think. Yeah. And there's the whole aspect that we don't know what the life of these educational videos or the teachers who actually ended up making those videos during their studies, we don't know where it led. Maybe there's somebody who's like a ex-edit participant who's doing something great with educational videos in some country or some school or maybe one of the students who participated media and learning association conference with us and presented their winning video there maybe that person became a researcher of educational videos we haven't actually followed up where how people ended up and hopefully somebody has really carried this you know this idea of doing something with that uh edit experience and maybe taking it to somewhere that we don't know about well some actually go just go on to work at the university in similar fields like we have several we have one guy out there you know didi didi was think, when was it, Didi? I don't know, 2012. Oh, gosh, okay, he's just, he went for a smoke. I don't know. You can tell everything about him because I'm listening. I think it was 2012 that he was an edit, as a student, an edit participant, and now he's working at the university and probably taking over from me in two years that he was an edit as a student and edit participant and now he's working at the university and probably taking over from me in two years because that will be a kind of structural change when uh actually old enough to go into retirement uh yeah and and there are some i think i know of some former participants who moved on with it or took this to schools and continued producing educational videos in some way or working with video with children. So I think I'm absolutely sure that there is a lot of what's a spin-off effect. That's what we usually call it or what they call it in all those project reports. what we usually call it or what they call it in in all those project reports yeah sure because you have got it um even when you don't plan to use it it has changed something so if you have learned a special way of thinking about a special way of starting a problem you have got new options for uh you know how make a video. You've done it already. It's always difficult to start something when you have never done it. But for this, there are Christians and there are guys like you, Janis, and the other professors who take the students and just push them into the ice-cold water of filmmaking. And then they have to do it. And they're doing great. And then then they have to do it. And they're doing great. And then they know how to do it. And they can use this in the future, maybe in 20 years. That's how it happened. And I would say that teacher students are probably, no disrespect for any teacher, but I would say that the students are more open-minded of trying new tools because everything might be a possible new tool for them that they can do whatever whatever they want with it but I also work quite a lot with continuing education with teachers who've been working for a fair amount of time and for them to implement a new tool into their teaching I think they're always much more hesitant than students. So for them to see that, yeah, you don't have to be an expert in everything before you can actually implement it into your teaching. I think it's a really important message for any teacher, whether you're a student or if you've been you've been teaching for 20 years it's still important to try out new things and try to keep things fresh and try to provide new interesting ways of working for your students and even for yourself to keep keep your mind fresh yeah that's that's right and maybe to katarina what's are the most valuable things you think you've learned last year? And maybe you can already tell what you are learning in this year's edits. Do you remember something? I mean, you have never done filmmaking before, right? Yes, that is true. I've never done anything like that. I did make a few home videos when I was a child, but you can't compare that, in my opinion. And it's just you have a really short time where you just learn a lot. And I hope I can even learn more this year, get more involved in the technical parts of video making. And it also, it changed how I work at university in my courses, because sometimes you get topics, which are kind of like the keywords here in edit. And at first, I'm brainstorming, like, what could I do? What are the possibilities? What is realistic to do? And then those ideas helped me to find ways to put together amazing work for my university courses so it reaches into parts really outside of this particular challenge so it's not just good for filmmaking but for becoming a better student Christian, that's amazing to hear I really have to say that now, Janne I did not pay them for what they are saying but we did write a check but i mean that that has certainly changed in let's say in 12 to 15 years if i if i told my students 15 years ago that you don't always have to write an essay, that you can make a video. People would still write essays. But that has changed a little bit, like not every course is there to teach you to write essays. Sometimes video report is much more better idea to produce than always write again another essay. So I'm really happy that I'm getting more and more videos from teacher students, even though I didn't tell them that you have to do video. But I'm always telling that you don't have to write everything as an essay. You can do video journal or video diary or something like this. And that has changed. 15 years ago, nobody would use that opportunity. But these days, you actually start getting people using that option yeah and and not just in at university but also with schools here in austria it's it's changing with the the final work in the um school when before what before you you do the final exams you had to write this essay the VWR but now they are changing it it's kind of a pre-scientific work I don't know how I would call it Fachwissenschaftliche Arbeit what you write before you are leaving CERT when you are graduating in secondary school and there are more options now as well. Yeah, so there is this creative part to you. You can make a video, a podcast. And I think it's great to have teachers who know how to make a video because when a student comes up to a teacher and says, okay, I don't want to write this essay. I want to make a video. Can you help me? Can you support me? Well, I've want to write this essay i want to make a video can you help me can you support me well i've been to edits i know how to do a video yeah and it's crucial i mean it's our main source of information for everybody whatever you use if you use uh like uh high-end media if you use tick tock i mean it's it's video everywhere you know use TikTok. I mean, it's video everywhere, you know. And you know, we talk a lot about media literacy in our society, and now they talk about AI literacy. And the emphasis is always on the side that you can only assess or estimate the value of any media production if you understand what it takes to make that kind of media production. So for example, if you don't know how to write or write different kind of text, it's really hard to assess whether a text produced by somebody, whoever, maybe an AI or robot or outside influencer, it's hard to have that media criticism towards that piece of writing. And that's exactly the same with video we have all these ai made videos and influencer deep fake videos if you don't have the skill or the literacy to produce videos yourself it's really hard to make that civilized assessment of whatever went into the production of that video so at least people who have been tinkering with video tools they kind of understand that how do you actually make these videos and produce them and publish them and what it takes that's right that's something we have been talking before with christina christina and paul because they were telling me that last year they had these big expectations. They have never done video. They want to do like this awesome thing. And they were thinking about all the things they could do in post-production. And then they had to acknowledge that, wow, that's very difficult to do. It takes lots of time. And some things are impossible impossible even in post-production with the skills and programs we have so that's really something and now they told me they know what they can expect from the post-production and editing process learning learning kind of to know what you have and to do a good thing with what you have is probably also part of edit. And that's I think that's crucial because if you do something where you don't actually have the tools for it usually kind of turns out a little bit embarrassing and that doesn't apply for video only. As Katina said before yeah it applies for for many things because we only have three minutes it's it's probably pitch dark uh pitch dark in in finland jane is it pitch dark it is pitch dark and today was a storm i had three trees fell down today one one fell down on the road another one in my yard and third one biggest one whole luckily fell down just out the different direction from the house but yeah it was a big storm today and and snow as well well there was snow but it was blowing so much that they didn't stick to crowd just well it was knowing here too that was amazing and it helped us with our video actually because we were filming and it started to snow and it was perfect we couldn't uh we won't be able to they control the weather they control the weather why did you give us the storm i didn't think about the storm i'd only was snow and i pressed snow and the small letters beneath said storm in finland i forgot about those well um Janice I'm interested how is the how are students experiencing edit in Finland I think it's maybe a bit different over there it's very different possibilities and uh yeah our our program is completely different because we uh only have adult students who are doing their teacher studies as sort of on the side of their job. So our teachers won't become elementary school teachers that what they will become teachers like in a business college or in the University of Applied Sciences healthcare program or stuff like this. so they are actually not here daily with us but they are doing their studies on their own and they do kind of work very independently through their studies so to me it's quite often a surprise whether anybody participates i will know it hopefully by friday that if they submit their video then then I know that have they actually been working but yeah we have very little contact face-to-face contact with our student students these days the the number of contact hours as a part of coursework is really low with adult students I see so it's mostly online, right? And with your conference and stuff like that. I met my students last summer for three days and everything after that is online. Well, I see. So they are like all of them using their own stuff, right? Like the cell phones and their own camera when they've got them. How many teams are there? when I've got them. How many teams are there? Oh, I have no idea. In the past years, I've had students who have done it just on their own. Some who have just recruited other people and didn't really have a team, but it was one person and just found a couple of actors. Unfortunately, not every year I've had any participants. So that is also the part of our program that we don't necessarily have a course that is something that our students must take. But they have a list of different things that they can use to build their own personal curriculum. And then they just end up working for those competence goals that are in their personal study plan. And there's also the distance, isn't it, Janne? Your students are, I think you told me once that there is a big distance far more than here, where the students come from. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we are the northernmost school of professional teacher education, and there's still about 650 kilometers left, Finland, if you travel north from here. So my students can be in Helsinki, 600 kilometers away, or they can be in the Lapland, 650 kilometers away. Wow, these are quite some distances yeah so that that may gives a different uh completely different set setting geographically but i think that's that's one of the things that's uh that are crucial for edit that you have got like the this one topic the three keywords the film you want to create something something with um pedagogical value but in completely different surroundings with completely different things you can use it's not it's no comparison of course to to to as it is with you yanni but we have a group for instance working in salzburg this year because with this new teacher education concept in Austria where like I think it's 11 universities or is it 9 combined in a so called cluster in secondary teacher education so students have courses in Salzburg, in Linz and well it's not 600 kilometers but still it's what is it 150 kilometers or a bit more yeah something like that so and we have groups this year but they have to travel between universities so one course there and then they've got half an hour and the next course starts in Salzburg it's not like like you know where you know for building for building a learning community or building that group experience, of course, it's better to have people working face to face. Of course, it's better. And I mean, everybody knows that if I have a little bit lazy day and I'm 300 kilometers away from each other, it's much more easier to just stay lazy. But if you come to school and even if you have a little bit lazy day, but you have a group who's starting to work and we have three days, you kind of get into that atmosphere that, OK, we start to make something happen. We're in this together. We start making it happen. So, yeah, in that sense, I would say that individual work and distance learning is not always the most productive way of doing things. Sometimes it's just good to go on site, meet people and have that pressure of time. And you actually end up producing something great just because you're there and you have that time pressure and you have the group. And you also see that you see the atmosphere here. Yeah, I really like it. I mean, yesterday I had to go home for dinner, but usually we, and today I think it probably will be like that, we order some kind of dinner here, you know. And by the end of edit on Monday morning, the bins are all full with empty pizza boxes, you know. And this is something which cannot happen online. It's much more than just producing a video. It's much more, yeah. Perfect example for what you have said, Jan, is yesterday evening, we were sitting in a room together with a group thinking about what to do. We were scripting and suddenly one of our members said, she was very excited, you know, how are we going to do it like that? And then we told the stories how we had the picture in our head and with emotions and then the camera is doing it that way and it shows like this feeling of the character and that's so amazing and everyone was yeah we're going to do it exactly that way and suddenly she was looking i even i wasn't motivated when i was coming i thought i'm going to do something but there was no motivation really but you guys you just took me and took me with you with your motivation and your spirit and now I'm very hyped to do it that's exactly what's and doing so many hours I mean a lot more hours than than usually at the university and still enjoying it so I think that's also what edit is and kind of that's what what edit is yeah and and kind of that that well that's what keep keeps us going on that I mean it's just something we don't want to let die and I hope it will survive at least my professional life yeah that's as you've said it's I think it it's very amazing because we've got here, we've got the community and even when we're like competing to other groups, there's still a whole group and we help each other if someone needs something. And we've got two members who are doing edit for the first time, we're doing it for the second time, so that's also for them to learn from us and us from them, because we have structures in our head how we did it last year, so we want to continue and then they come and say well we can do it differently. Yeah and yesterday in the evening, for instance, it was kind of looking like we could go home, but then two actually students came. They already, actually, they wouldn't need to take part. They are kind of in a higher semester and one is already finished and so on. They said, well, of course, we want to join EDIT. You know, we don't have much time, but we work now. Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, that's the spirit. It's about the spirit, yes. I mean, it's very sad that we can't hear the voices from the other countries. It would be amazing to maybe have them when we afterwards talk about the winning teams. There will be a second show, right? We could organize that. As we did it last year when we were talking about the winning videos. Maybe we can get someone from a different country and talk about how Edits experience in different countries there will be an Erasmus Blended Intensive program again next year in March in Mainz so we could also do like we did it from Rhodes we could do a live broadcast from Germany as well yeah so there are big plans for the future for the near future for us and I hope there there are big plans for the future, for the near future for us, and I hope there are very big plans for edits. We have talked last year, I think, about the future and about to develop, but I don't think that there's much to change. I think it's very good and how it is at the moment good that's nice to hear yes um janice what um is your experience about edits in austria what do you think i don't quite remember from last year which ones were from which countries because i quite often sat down with our jury member and we tried to watch videos as videos without really looking at where they came from and i'm kind of after i see what we scored in the end i realized where they were from but uh in general i think i always remember that in in austrian submissions in all the videos that be coming from lynz, there's always been emphasis of not just not only doing one or the other, because we've always said that technical quality is not enough on its own, it has to have a pedagogical idea. And even if you have a good pedagogical ideas, you don't want people to focus that the quality of technical quality was bad. So they kind of both take away from each other. So I think there's always been a really good balance with most of the videos produced by Austrian students. There's always been a few that are really high in technical quality, but there's always been few videos that have combined the technical quality and pedagogical ideas. So that's that's i guess what i think of in general and i think chris we talked about it uh that our favorite all-time video you can still find it online it's called it's on edit website yeah yeah the tense that's kind of like if anybody wants to check out it it's not if you don't think about it as edit video it's like video poetry but it's still educational it's beautiful to look at but it's like a piece of video poetry if you look at it as a piece of its own yeah maybe we should mention edit website for our listeners and viewers yeah sure um there's the edit website it's editvideochallenge.org and you can follow live updates also from this year's edit you can see making of photos and by next week then you can join the audience award there's an audience award voting form on the edit website and you can also join live the award ceremony on Thursday next week at 5 o'clock CET Yeah, we hope to see some of you there and after an hour of talking about EDIT I'm very happy to make a break and we hope to see you very soon in two weeks. I think that's the next broadcast from us. That will be later because there's a different topic in two weeks. It may change my role from studio guest. In two weeks we have the former vice-director Katharina Sukkob-Altrichter In two weeks, we have the former vice director, Katharina Sukkobaldrichter, as a guest, but then the other one, the one after. Yeah, then maybe in four weeks, we can talk again about edit. So that's it from us. Thank you very much for watching and listening to us. See you soon. Have a good evening Don't you worry what they tell themselves When you're away It just takes some time Little girl, little, little, little Teacher Education Radio Austria Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich