Terra FM, Teacher Education Radio Austria, das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. Terra FM, PHTV, live aus dem Studio in der Huemastraße. Das ist nicht selbstverständlich, das ist ein Glück, dass wir dürfen heute wieder und nicht zu Hause sitzen und nur sozusagen über virtuelle Bildschirme miteinander verbunden. sitzen und nur sozusagen über virtuelle Bildschirme miteinander verbunden. Diese Sendung ist mit einem besonderen Gast, einem Gast aus Finnland und deshalb switche ich die Sprache. Wir werden diese Sendung auf Englisch, in englischer Sprache durchführen, zumindest großteils. Vielleicht wagen wir ein paar deutschsprachige Wörter. Sicher keine finnischen, weil das kann ich nicht. area so you belong to a you can say a minority in sweden in finland is it yeah or actually i have like my parents are both uh finnish speaking so but i'm like in a swedish speaking school so but i'm not like personally in the minority group because i can also speak finnish okay so your mother tongue would be Finnish. Okay, okay. Well, it actually fits for a Terra FM Christmas broadcast to have somebody from Finland here representing maybe Father Christmas because as he is coming from Finland, the Weihnachtsmann, a little bit further north, I think, that would be Robba Niemi. Yeah, from Korvatunturi. Ah, yeah, a little bit north of Robba Niemi. So you are representing him here now at our Terra FM Christmas broadcast 2020. Janina, I would like to talk with you a little bit about... Well, that was my idea, that we talk a little bit about the Finnish education system. There are lots of changes going on as far as I heard. Yeah. Because you had, or Finland had the reputation to have one of the best education systems in the world. And I get kind of sometimes messages now from friends and colleagues that there is, they are not totally sure anymore what's going on. So that would interest me. Yeah. And as it is a christmas broadcast i think it would also be nice for our listeners and viewers to talk a little bit about differences in in during that time in finland and in austria and of course a little bit uh about how finland actually deals with having people speaking different languages. Yeah. Yeah, because I also learned when I was traveling in Finland, I think the Swedish-speaking minority is not very big. No, it's maybe like 5% of the peoples who live in Finland. 5% of the Finnish population. so it's a small minority but still very present in everyday life because when you fly on a finn airplane you have everything yep both in finnish and finnish and swedish so that's a very respectful kind of approach to to dealing with a with a minority within the the own country and i think that's a good example as well minority within their own country and I think that's a good example as well for Europe and the world. I had actually asked Janina to choose the music but Janina didn't have music for me so I had to choose the music and I know already some people who will complain that it's maybe not modern enough but it is actually it's world music it's finnish music it's a slightly jazzy finnish folk music and it definitely fits for christmas as well so i hope at least most of you out there like it maybe we can hear at first before we begin a little example Daniel? ¶¶ ¶¶ © transcript Emily Beynon ¦ acoustic guitar plays softly guitar solo ¶¶ © transcript Emily Beynon ¶¶ ¶¶ so finnish music is appreciated as well we We had a Finnish studio guest online in November during the Edit Educational Video Challenge and the music he prepared for the broadcast was heavy metal. So that's a bit of a difference. Yeah, Janina. Because we started talking about this Swedish thing, you were telling me that you are bilingual, but how would you see, can you tell us a little bit about the history of the Swedish minority and tell us a little bit of how that kind of came? että he puhuvat enemmän ruotsia. Esimerkiksi Helsingissä, joka on pääkulma, ja sitten mennään sydänlaajempaan, niin siellä on Turku, jossa he puhuvat myös ruotsia. Ja sitten siellä on myös pienemmät paikat, esimerkiksi Ingo, Vargas ja Ekenes. Ja sitten kun menet sydänlaajempaan, Vargas, Ekenäs and then when you go up to the west coast you can come to Vaasa, which I live in. And then there's also a little bit more like up to the north, so there's like Jakobstad, Kalleby and yeah that's probably like every place. Did the Swedish people, when did they come or have they always been there? Is it just like... Actually, I don't know like so specific, but there was like, because Finland had been like a part of Sweden. So it's like from the history from there when like Finnish people were like a part of Sweden. there when Finnish people were a part of Sweden. But there's only like four, no, maybe maximum ten states or not states, but cities that they are actually like Swedish speaking. And there has never been a problem between Finnish population and Swedish speaking? and Swedish speaking? Not like so big problems, but for example in Vaasa, because they're like Swedish speaking university, where I am actually, is like Åbo Akademi, and then there's also like the Finnish speaking university, Vaasan yliopisto. So we have like, for example, if we have like student parties, there's like some different bars that are only for Swedish speaking or only for Finnish speaking. Yeah, but you can actually go there, but there's like, it's a norm. So if you are Finnish speaking, you can't go to one Swedish speaking bar, for example. So that's like one thing. Se on yksi asia. En ole koskaan olemaan erityisesti käsitellyt, koska puhun ruotsia, koska voin myös puhua suomalaisia. Mutta tiedän, että minulla on yleensä ystäviä, jotka puhuvat vain ruotsia tai suomalaisia. Heillä on vaikeuksia, jos he haluavat mennä muualle kaupungille tai joissain paikoissa, joissa he tietävät, että he puhuvat vain ruotsia. if they want to go, for example, to another city or to some places that they know that they are only speaking Swedish. And for example, if you are going to apply for a summer job in Vaasa, you actually need to speak Finnish and Swedish so that you will get the job. Okay. And in Vaasa, is everything bilingual or is it just Swedish, like road signs and so on? No, it's like quite bilingual. You hear like the boat, mother tongues. And it's all signs up. Yeah, all signs are also in Finnish and Swedish. There was something crazy in Austria. It was, I don't know, was it 30 years ago or something? Because there is a small Slovenic-speaking minority in Carinthia in the south of Austria. And for a long time, there has been a big conflict between German-speaking people in the area and Slovenic-speaking people in the area. There were organizations on both sides which were quite radical and there was even a storm on the bilingual when they put up bilingual village signs in those areas there was a storm on them and some right-wing German-speaking people took them away, which is totally ridiculous and totally crazy. Yeah, but it actually depends also because if you are going more to like the lane about Russia, for example Lappeenranta, they have the signs in Finnish and Russian, not Swedish. So it depends also like which city you are. So is there a Russian speaking population as well? Yeah, because it's like so near to Russian. Okay, so but there are Russian speaking people living in Finland. Yeah. Finnish people. Yep. Okay. I hadn't known that. Yeah. So that's also one thing. And then also like some smaller villages in Finland have only like the signs in Finnish or Swedish. So it's like not about the whole land that they have like the both languages. But it's like in the law we have like two mother tongues. So it's like Finnish and Swedish. And that is a bit extraordinary with a population of only five percent yeah of coming from a swedish and then also they have been like quite much debitating about is there actually like a need to learn swedish in school because now we have like uh that you actually need to take some courses in sw. But that's been also like a, not for me like a big problem, but for some people and actually from like older generations that they don't want to speak Swedish. And then when I have like worked, for example, in summer jobs as a customer service, there are like some customers that are calling and they only can speak swedish and then also there is actually always like less people that speaks swedish also like in jobs so they need to like wait longer to come on the line and yes so there's like some problems but but it's it's going fairly well yeah it's uh i don't think that it's like a big problem but i think like for the actually like for the people that only speak swedish they have they can have like more difficulties in finland so and if you are going, for example, some city, for example, Jyväskylä, nobody speaks Swedish in Jyväskylä. Jyväskylä is? Jyväskylä is like from Vaasa, which is like on the West Coast. It's maybe 300 kilometers. So it's quite in the middle of Finland. Near the lakes. Yeah. in the middle of Finland. Near the lakes. Yeah. And Janina, you came as an Erasmus student in winter semester 2020. That is something rather special as well. Yeah. Many people cancelled all over Europe and we are actually lucky to have at least a group of people really here yeah you are one of them um how did you make that decision well i have like actually planned that i will make a like erasmus thing on my studies and then i thought like one year ago that i want to go to austria because then i can travel around middle Europe. Usually. Yeah, but that's not the option for the moment. But yeah. And then I also had actually like one friend of mine and she is also like from Finland and she actually was here in Pedagogisk, her school. And then so she said... From Basa? Yeah. So she said that it's good to come here. Well, we love to hear that, don't we? We love to hear that. So I thought that would be great. And then I also looked for courses because we don't have any practical courses at home because I'm not going to be a teacher. So I have really much essays to do and actually we need to write and so you're studying you you don't do teacher training you studying education yeah it's like uh educational leadership and development so yeah it's like more the administration so school administration yeah oh that's interesting so you will be probably the future education minister of Finland then? Yeah, that's one option. We have the right person to discuss the Finnish educational system. I hadn't even expected that. And then we have also the option that we can do some jobs, for example, in human resources. So more like in the companies and and things like that and are you would you be interested to go into school administration uh yeah a bit or then no i actually don't know the english word but it's like studio it's like the for example neil's in one school is like a school i don't know the word but it's like the person that are for example planning the schedules and okay and doing all the marks and things like that so that's also like one option so that would be because in austria that's usually done by teachers as well or by the head teacher yeah there is no real school manager so do you you have school managers? Yeah, we have like actually like for example in high schools we have like one person that are making our schedules and courses and they are like putting the marks and credits and yeah everything. And have you seen a school in Austria? Was it possible? I mean it's rather difficult with practice. No, I haven't been there. Because I'm not doing that teaching practice because oh that that was planned from the beginning or that you don't do teaching yeah yeah because i thought that it's not like good for me because i don't have like so much experience in like actually teaching so if if i ask you what you think is good about the Finnish education system, what would you say? Well, the first thing is that we have pre-primary school from six years old. And we have primary school from seven years old. Because some schools start when they are four years old. And I would never be ready for school when I was four years old and i would like never be like ready for school when i was like four years old then i was in norway with my mom and just played all the days so i think it's good to the school starts at seven years old and then also that we have free school lunch that's like a really good thing because you don't you actually need food soup and it's good food yeah it's really good it's like we have all the salads and meat or fish or chicken and then the uh like carbs and then yeah so it's free for everybody yep but we pay like some taxes but you don't like when you go to the school the parents doesn't need to pay like amount to school because it's coming from the government so so that's a really big good thing and then also that we have like classes it depends like in which city you are living in but the classes are not too big and then also yeah i don't. There's like two things. I like the school system in Finland. And do you think there are changes going on just now? Yeah. To the positive or the negative? I don't know, because we have also, for example, in high school, they are making almost like everything on the computer. So it's like really much like digitalization in the schools. So that can be a good thing or a bad thing. Well, you've always been advanced in that also because of geographical reasons, no? Yeah, yeah. But still, I don't know. It depends because we have like in secondary school, they are going to use quite much the computer for example essays and then they have also like some books but it's i think personally it's like a bad thing if you are coming from a like more poor family and you don't have doesn't have like the ability to like buy a good computer so but i don't know it depends what i hear from my colleagues especially in olu that they have to deal with enormous budget cuts would you see that yeah as well yeah why do you think people do the government does that if you have a wonderful education system a wonderful education system. Why kind of cut the finances away from it then? I don't know. Because maybe Finland doesn't have so much money. You think so? Well, you'll be the future Finnish education minister. Yeah, but I don't know. And then also, because they are cutting the smaller schools. For example, if you live in a village, Kyseessä on, että he kutsuvat pienemmät kouluja. Esimerkiksi jos asut kouluun, he ovat olleet 10 kertaa enemmän ennen kuin nykyisin. On parempi saada isommat koulujen ja koulutuskulut, jotta lapset voivat tulla kouluun. for example school buses that the kids can come to the school but i think there's always like saving saving money but well it's not always good no and it's not saving money is sometimes good but not always good and before we get too depressed here maybe we listen a little bit to my wonderful relaxing Finnish music ¦ ¦ so uh Aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran, aran,????? ¦ ¦ ¶¶ Terima kasih. 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And thank you for the compliment on the music I brought to our English listeners from here. Yeah. Janina, you said you actually chose coming to Linz on Erasmus because of recommendations from friends and colleagues and so. But while we were listening to the music, you also said that you made the experience that you find it a bit hard to find people speaking English in Linz. That's an interesting experience. Yeah, because actually when I have traveled quite much like around in Austria, so they speak like really much more like English, for example, in Vienna or Graz than in Linz. There's like some places, for example, in school, you can hear like English, but not in the cities or streets. So it's like, I tried to learn some German also. We can also speak German. No. But it's like, yeah, it's quite hard. Do you think that the school system, the education system could be could play a role in that if yeah maybe and maybe there's like a little bit like less courses in english here in linz like if you compare for example with vienna or grass i don't know well that should be the same basically well it's quite Well, it's not completely standardized, but it's a rather standardized system in Austria. So that's interesting, especially with Graz. I mean, with Vienna, it doesn't surprise me that much because Vienna is probably a more international city than Linz. But Graz is a little bit away from everything, isn't it? Yeah, but I have actually one friend, and he is like Erasmus in Graz is a little bit away from everything, isn't it? Yeah, but I have actually one friend and he is like Erasmus in Graz. So he said also Austria is quite good for Erasmus students to come. Are you still happy to be here? I mean, despite all the trouble. Yeah, because we have also Corona in Finland. That's right, it doesn't matter where you are. It's nice to be here. Oh, okay. you think so yeah because i think there is some contact because you stay in the same student residence so you still can have some some of the experience yeah and actually and i think it's like really nice that we had like one and a half months maybe like the lessons were in school so that was quite fun because I have like so much practical courses here so it's better to be in school than do it online and not many universities in Europe did that to have at least yeah and I have actually like one friend of mine and she's like in Vienna as her husband's student now and they have like only online friend of mine and she's like in Vienna as a Rasmus student now and they have like only online lessons. They had online lessons from the beginning only. So that was like, I was really happy because we had only like online lessons from Finland. Well, unfortunately we had to. Yeah, I know. But it was like one and a half months. Well, we're sitting far apart here, as you probably all see. This is not our usual studio setup. We try to be a little bit closer usually, but we're still happy enough that we at least can do it. We at least can do it live from the studio. By the way that I don't forget, there will be a big change in January january for terra fm we might change the date to tuesdays we still haven't the confirmations from the stations yet but it could be that we change to tuesdays with the advantage that every broadcast we do would be repeated and you could hear it again a week later and then there would be the new broadcast and then there would be repeating it again a week later so that would make us even more present around here Janina we were also promising to our listeners and viewers that we speak a little bit about as this is at least in the Christian world, a very important time even for people who are not religious. I think I mean, Christmas in some way or the other influences everybody. Maybe you can tell us a little bit. Well, you don't know. I don't know how much you know about Austrian Christmas now. We had actually like in the German lessons something for example Krampus. But we don't have like any Krampus. But yeah not so much. Well that's good for the education system. The Krampus is a very bad thing for education. Yeah the Krampus makes children scared and afraid. And yeah I was actually a little bit surprised that you actually have like Krampus that can come into the Christmas. Yeah, I was terribly scared. There is I think there is a photograph of me when I was little standing like that, afraid of the Krampus. But there was also the Nikolaus, of course, and the Nikolaus was the good guy. It's a little bit like good cop and bad cop, you know, that's that form of education. Yeah, but we don't have, we only have like the Santa Claus. But Santa Claus comes for Christmas, not for the 6th of December. No, we don't have like anything the 6th of December, only like we are celebrating like Christmas on the Christmas Eve so like we do yeah what would be the traditional food we have like some rice porridge and yep with berries no not with the berries like with cinnamon and then a little bit sugar or then like with plums so that's like a traditional one and then we have also like it's called yolo kinkku which is like uh some ham and then we have also different kinds of and i don't think they have like anything like you don't have free bell like in no way You don't have rippe like in Norway? Rippe, no. But we have like different kinds of, it's like not with rice, but it's like, it's called porkkanalaatikko, which is like some carrot. It's not a cake, but it's like carrots. And then there's like mannapuuro, which is also like on Finnish. But it's like some, I don't know, like se on jotain, en tiedä, ei ole mitään erilaisia täällä Austriassa, mutta se on lanttulaatikko, porkkanalaatikko, maksalaatikko. Joten siinä on kolme asiaa. Like a dessert is called the Joulutähti, which is like a dessert with plum jam and then there's like some bagels. And what else? Then we have Glöggi, which is quite near to the Glokhwein. Okay. But it tastes a little bit like different, but something. That's something you miss here this year now there are no no punch stands and all that stuff christmas markets and then we have also it's called pipari or pepper caca oh yeah so that's like one tradition that we have in the christmas and then we can also have fish so for example like salmon it's quite often and then potatoes and and then we can also have seals it's also like fish silly ah is it herring yeah ah yeah okay yeah so that's like the traditional ones and how how does the evening proceed? I mean, what do you do? Normally we have like from the Christmas Eve, so we are going to the sauna because it's a really big thing in Finland. So we go to the sauna and then we can make something like with the family and grandparents, for example, go out for a walk. And then we have the Santaanta claus which is coming over is it really coming yeah dressed up yep it's usually daddy or is it yeah it's my dad or my brother or well i have like two little brothers but they also like 19 and 20 so but yeah then so you're still doing it they're still yeah okay so it's like also a tradition at the Santa Claus come and then and then we are only like spending the rest of the evening with the families and then on the Christmas so no singing yeah we can also like sing and then we have also for example in different families there can also be that we then we have also, for example, in different families, there can also be that we are reading one text from the Bible. So, for example, my grandparents are really Christian, so we always read or read one text from the Bible. So it's also a tradition in in our family but you don't sing silent night under the christmas tree no okay you can do it but not in our family because that that's very traditional here i mean yeah but we have we have the same same song and it's an austrian song oh you might not know no It was composed in a small village near Oberndorf, a little bit south of Salzburg by a teacher and a priest. And they performed it there with a guitar, the two of them singing it. I don't know, sometimes was it 18th or 17th century I think or something like that. I don't know exactly. We would need to Google it. But then it kind of, that's the origin of Stille Nacht, Silent Night. And I found that not many people actually know that it's an Austrian song. No, we didn't know, but we have like, we have like singing the, it's still not called in Swedish, but we have like singing in schools because we have always had like some Christmas like evening in school where we are like singing the songs and then there's also like you can go to the church also on Christmas eve or on the Christmas day. And on Christmas eve would it be at midnight or? Yeah. So in Austria this is called Mette, Mitternachtsmette. We are actually starting to celebrate Christmas already in the beginning of December. So you can for example drink the Glöggi and make some pepparkakor. And then also go to the church for like singing the Christmas songs so it's also quite nice. And do you have that in Finland as well like on the 21st when the turn of the Sun is like kind of what's it called I mean in summer it would be midsummer but in in winter, I don't know, there's nothing? No, we don't have anything. So no celebration that the days are getting longer again? No. It's so dark in Finland in December. So everybody's so depressed that they don't even think that it will get lighter again. No, no. We have like some big celebration for midsummer. It's called Juhannus, but no, nothing on the 21st. Nothing for midwinter. No. Well, we'll listen a little bit to more depressing, no, not depressing Finnish music, please. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ © transcript Emily Beynon ¶¶ ¶¶ ¦ Thank you. piano plays softly Thank you. piano plays softly © transcript Emily Beynon ¦ ¶¶ © transcript Emily Beynon ¶¶ Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik You are listening to Terra FM, live from the studio in the Huemastraße, today in English, because we have a Finnish studio guest, Janina Wittenen. Janina, we were talking about starting to celebrate Christmas early, maybe that's even more necessary in a country where it's even darker than here. Yeah, because we have actually like, it's almost like great dark on from November until it's like four months, so February. I mean, when I was in Oulu in December, I didn't find it was so bad because there was lots of snow. Yeah it depends if there's like snow or not. So with snow it's easier. Yeah because the snow it's like bringing some lights. And there was the question from our technical side who can't not imagine that at all how somebody can survive in a country where it's always dark yeah but i actually told him that i only like used to it when so it's like you just have to deal with it so and there was actually one finnish lady she told me once it's not the light which is the problem it's it's not the night which is the problem. It's the day. Yeah. Because we have like only. Like if it's like really bad year. We can have only like two hours from the whole day. That we have like a little bit of the light. She meant actually that not getting dark. Was more difficult for her than not getting light. Oh. She said she could deal with the dark. Because there you can do something. You can make it comfortable. You can go to the sauna you can have open fire you can but it depends like which person you are because i think she's more maybe like night person or i don't know maybe it could be yeah but it depends also like when which city you are living in. For example, if you compare like Helsinki, which is the south, almost like the south part of Finland, and then for example Rovaniemi, that's like much darker in Rovaniemi than in Helsinki. So, but yeah, you are just... It's normal for us, so therefore it's also like quite nice to be here because it's more like brightener and lighter than we still perceive it terribly especially with the fog and lints but you can get out of the fog yeah um i was in where was it on lake inari in march which was still quite dark, but I saw probably one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. So you have that as well. And we have actually also like in Vaasa you can see Northern Lights if there's like a really cold winter so yeah so you don't have need to travel from up to the Lapland to see the northern lights and if you uh because you were say you were mentioning Vasa again because I was in Vasa also several times and I quite liked also your university yeah it's like a really nice place because for example it's like the whole campus city we have like the Åbo Akademi which is like next to the sea and then we also like the Vaasan yliopisto, Vaasan ammattikorkeakoulu and then the Swedish-speaking Novia which is like Yrkeshögskola and there's like we have the sea there nearby so it's like really beautiful area. But this is, for instance, something I always miss in Austria. Some people said to me once, how is it possible that you had to grow up in a landlocked country? Because I, I really love the sea. I mean, we have the mountains and it is a little bit of a kind of it makes up a little bit. There are definitely worse places, but I miss the sea. Yeah, but it also depends which city you are living in. For example, if you live in Jyväskylä, you don't have the sea, but you have the lakes. But Vasa is like the sea city. And I have also like my apartment is like 300 meters from the sea. I think there is even a boat connection to Sweden, isn't it, from Vasa? Yes, Vasa Line. So it's like four hours on to Umeå, which is like the nearest city from Vasa to Sweden. And now in these COVID times, like for instance, Norway and Sweden, they closed the borders. I mean, Norway closed the borders mainly to Sweden. Did Finland do something similar? We had like before i came here we had like the they closed the like borders but you were you are always allowed to come if you are like from finland you are always like allowed to come back home but we were they were like saying from the government that doesn't we are not supposed to go anywhere so but no and then they have haven't like closed their borders for Sweden it's like okay really bad times for travelers yeah like me as well yeah um I'm just wondering have we spoken everything what we wanted to speak about the education system i don't know or maybe like the like the system is like i haven't like spoke about the like grading thing yeah and then because we have like that yeah because we have like the pre-primary education which is like you start when you are six years old and then we have the primary education which is from seven up till twelve and then we have the secondary school from 13 to 16 and then you can choose if you want to go to high school or the vocational education maybe and therefore you can apply for university or then it's like the batch i don't know it's like from if you're going to the vocational school it's like the i think here is maybe like the bachelor like you upper well vocational schools you here is a dual system okay it's like in Germany it's you work in a company and you go to school while working in a company so you work in an apprentice and you go to school they're different it depends a little bit on what you want to become some in with some jobs it's like being in school for one month in a row in a year. Or some jobs have it like once a week. I think with bakers it used to be once a week because I grew up in a bakery. And our apprentices, I think they went to vocational school once a week. But there are no degrees yet in the vocational area. Well, there are degrees if you want to become a teacher in a vocational school, of course. And then we have also that you can, it's called kombi studier. So you can choose to go to the high school, but also do the vocational. Se on kutsuttu kombistuudioon. Voit valita mennä yliopistoon, mutta myös käydä yleisöä. Esimerkiksi voit saada koulun koulutuksen kautta. Ja myös saada töitä. Esimerkiksi hauska tai mitä tahansa haluat olla. Se on aika hyvä. Meidän on myös tarvitse mennä yliopistoon. Jos haluat olla esimerkiksi turha. For example, we need to go to the bachelor university and if you want to become a nurse, you need to have also after high school. And preschool, would you see that interests me? Because that's different. Pre-primary school yeah do you have something like preschool or is it real kindergarten or is it kindergarten yeah we don't have like any like preschools and would you say there would be a lot of playing or is it very scary oriented only like playing and we don't have like anything to to do and because in pre-primary school we have like we are starting to write or count like some easy for example what is one plus two but nothing like serious because many many countries move to actually teaching in kindergarten so i personally think it's not a good thing no no because as i said we have like i think it's like really good that the school starts when you are seven years old we should really advertise that around when everybody's speaking about starting early we should actually start saying start the latest kids must be just when they are young yeah let them be kids when they are young that's right so that's our christ wish PHTV's Terra FM's Christmas wish for 2020 that people learn to understand that children need a lot more than learning yeah yeah because we were speaking about learning thank you Mr. Daniel Tautowicz for being on the controls out there and Daniel told me during one of the music breaks that I have to learn Merry Christmas in Finnish that I have to say that at the end of this broadcast how much time do I need to learn that? I've got two minutes it's easy, it's like two words I just got the message from England that Silent Night was composed in 1818. I wasn't that bad. It was 18th, 17th century then. So, like, Merry Christmas is like hyvää joulua. Oh, that's easy. Hyvää joulua. Yeah. Was that right? With ä. Hyvää. Now it's getting difficult in the detail. Ja. Hyvää. Hyvää. Ä. Hyvää. Hyvää. Now it's getting difficult in the detail. Jaa. Hyvää. Hyvää. Ää. Hyvää. Hyvää. Yeah, that was good. Hyvää. Joulua. Joulua. Ja. Hyvää. Joulua, Mr. Daltowicz. Okay, well, one minute left on Terra FM. I think it's time to say goodbye. Wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Frohe Weihnachten und ein gutes neues Jahr. Aus dem Terra FM PHTV Studio. Many thanks. What is many thanks in Finnish? Paljon kiitoksia. That's more complicated than Merry Christmas. Päijän tiitoksia. And it sounds like toxic. So, päijän tiitoksia to Janina Wittenen for being our studio guest in the Terra FM Christmas Broadcast and see you again in the new year and listen a little bit more to some nice Christmassy or even not Christmassy Finnish music. Terra FM.