Hi everybody, my name is Melissa. I'm Alex. And my name is Kate. And we are students at the JKU attending for the Master's Program of Leading Innovative Organizations. program of leading innovative organizations. We have been working on a super fun and interesting project that has been leading us down some pretty fun and interesting paths. Perhaps the most fun and interesting is connecting with the folks at Dwarf TV. Our whole program really centers around creativity and innovation. And so that's why we're sitting with Gabrielle, the founder of DORF TV. One of the founders. It's not the one. Okay, okay. Awesome. A co-founder of DORF TV to talk about innovation in traditional media, because that's something that we became really interested in through the process of this project. So we actually have a quick clip of the initial meeting that we have. We're ready to play for you now. The process behind how you approach the news and how you broadcast them and also what innovation you bring into the traditional media. My name is Gabi Kepner and I'm one of the founders, we are three founders of DovTV in 2010. Yeah, I have also a background in arts and philosophy and media and so I'm here now yeah as I said already Dorf TV is from has its roots in the art and culture background that's also the main mainly the program arts and culture cultural program or NGOs it's a non-commercial station the idea of these non-commercial stations, they're called also community TV, is that everybody can make their own program. And we are here, we are platforms to support people to make their program, to bring their news, their ideas, their projects, their thoughts, their discourses, etc. on the media, onto television. Non-commercial media like ours, the community media, they of course are funded. We also exist to provide variety, variety and pluralism. It's a different form of medium of content that we provide. The aim of DORF TV is to also support marginalized groups, like who don't get the TV time in normal TV, so they can come to us and they can upload or we give them the support that they make their own TV shows. We also have the technical support to do your own videos. You can also call us and we provide cameras or the studio or just theoretical support and everybody who can. On TV it's around 200,000 people. It is Leverst, this is the center of Upper Austria, Linz, Welschreier mainly, digital cable Leverst. Then we are on Simply TV, terrestrial antenna, broadcast from two antennas, from the Feinberg and from Lichtenberg. That bridge is also out to Attersee and to Niederösterreich, a little bit. And we are on some small cable stations in upper Austria, for example, I think, but Israel, not so around 200,000 households that should receive a lot of projects that have never been published on other media. So it's an interesting source for research. And the other advantage is that we have no time limits. For example, with Martin's TV shows he can invite politicians, they have one hour to talk and on public TV like ORF they often have like 10 minutes. And so we can go deeper into the topic. And with our general technical conceptions? Because we made this upload function long before everybody else had it. I don't know, Zoom and live and a concert and mixed stuff. We are not afraid to try it out because we are independent and we can say, okay, let's try this. We come there with our equipment and yeah. So before it's in the art university and our next project is we have a second studio here and it's supposed to be maybe next year a do-it-yourself studio so we are now trying to provide everything that people can go there and just click on play and do them editing themselves during a live show so right now it's still need some support from us but that would be the goal that like in open TV and open radio you can do your own show and it's our goal that we can do it here. Where was this from? Is that from? No, it's from the first steps of Dorf TV. So it's Gabi and the first time they tried to make a public TV and you can like come in here and say okay I have a project and I don't have a program on my computer or an actual computer and then you can come here and Julian will help you with the programs and tell you how to cut stuff and so we have different computer places where people can just come and... Now it's not a do-it-yourself studio, but over there is also the green space so you can... It's supposed to be you're sitting here having two cameras mix the cameras live and put in on the green wall your own background That looks expensive. Yes, really expensive. Wow, this is a good one. This is the sound technician and this is the broadcast. And we get food, so... Yay. All right. As we already said, we are all about innovation. And when speaking about innovation in traditional media, we cannot not mention Dorf TV and what you guys are doing. So for the few people who are watching, and especially for colleagues, who may not completely understand what you guys do. How would you explain how you are different than other traditional media? Well, we are part of the non-commercial media in Austria. There is a scene of 17 non-commercial media. It's 14 radios and there's three TV stations. The first one was in Vienna. It was founded in 2005. Then we started in 2010. And then there is one in Salzburg. And I think what is really the USP of all this non-commercial media is that we have public access in the broadcast. We consider ourselves also something like a platform. Everybody is allowed and everybody is welcome to make their own projects, their own opinions public, and we are helping them by doing this. We are helping them with workshops to learn how to make video or also how to make a TV show, a live TV show or whatever. It's public access, this open access, this offener zugang is something that is very important or is really the key for all these non-commercial media. So you said you're one of the three only? TV stations, yes. TV stations that are, I do not count anything that is just online. We are broadcasting real broadcast, real TV via cable TV or also terrestrial broadcasters. And you started in 2010? We started in 2010, yes. What was the initial idea? Like what led you to the project? Well, this dates back, I would say, decades. I was working for 10 years in Stadtwerkstatt, it's an association, a cultural association in Linz, and also an art group. It started as an art group in the 80s, and the first idea was to use the public space in order to bring in their creativity and to also be part of how society develops and to bring in their own ideas. And this public space then transferred to the media space, and the idea is also to have a public free space on the media and to produce or to distribute non-commercial content, content that is not just done because somebody pays for it but it's because it's really the people's opinion. It allows a lot of people to be part of this media space. And yeah, and Stadtwerkstatt did huge art projects, TV art projects, also in the context of Ars Electronica in the early 90s. And they were real like pilot projects because then there was still the monopoly of Austrian broadcast and there were pilot projects with the idea of art is we do not just show art on TV but TV is our tool to make art in that way to have performances to have a lot of way, to have performances, to have a lot of different layers, to have audio, to have video, to have animations at that time, animations done then with the Amiga, still in the early 90s, to have performance, to have people who can call in, because it was also this idea of people should be able to take part in TV shows and that was only possible by telephone so this is the background that was really early 90s and my first thing when I went to start which was really one of these huge huge TV projects and I was asked to do moderation and I said no, no I can't do that and they said yes you can do and then I said okay I'll do it and yeah this was really my when I fell in love with this TV idea and with Stadtwerkstatt we continued this and even after we left Stadtwerkstatt my colleague and I we continued with this idea Stadtwerkstatt, my colleague and I, we continued with this idea. Stadtwerkstatt also was very important in Upper Austria to bring up some radio stations. There was, with all this background experience from How to Make TV, there are four radio stations in Upper Austria and at least some of them were started during festivals and especially Freistadt was started during the festival of the region. There was this idea of going on with TV, with RTV or at least with public access TV. You cannot always do art but maybe to say we are at the art university here, so this is also part of this development. We had this cooperation with the art university right from the start, from 2010, because of this cultural background, and it was really very, very helpful, a very good backup all the time to have this cooperation. We're sitting here in the auditorium, in the Audimax now. And since innovation is always kind of intertwined with entrepreneurship and vice versa, we do look at Dorf TV as a project, as a venture. What would you say were the first or the initial challenges that you had when you initiated the project? Well, the first challenge of all was, of course, how to finance it. Because all these non-commercial stations, of course, they need funding. We have no publicity, we have no advertisement. This is also part of our independence, because nobody says, I can only finance you if you reach this amount of people. This is really part of the independence. And the challenges were first the financing, then it started to become possible. There has been done a lot of lobbying by the radio stations throughout a decade. And then finally there was funding from, well, there was small fundings before already, but then there was this form that was created at the state, at the Bundeskanzleramt, and now it's the RTR, which is distributing this money. There is a fund that has three million Euro for all the 17 stations in Austria but you have to oh there's a has also to be mentioned that there is also a fund to fund the commercial media and it has 20 million euro so it's different this was the first challenge and then the second challenge because then it was quite fast. We knew that we could start. It would be possible. We would get some money. And so we had to think, how can we bring up this TV station? And our background is also in this internet culture with Stadtwerkstatt. There's also Servus.at, a net culture node. Not Servus.at, not the TV station. Stadtwerkstatt, there's also Servus.at, a net culture node, not Servus.at, not the TV station. There's an internet platform, also non-commercial, exists since 1996, I think. So we had all this experience also with this idea of user-generated content, with user-generated is actually something like public access. So we thought about DovTV as a hybrid, to have a platform where people can upload, and this should also become part of the program of DovTV. In the beginning, we were criticized a lot because people thought everybody's putting the trash, is uploading trash, but this really never happened. And as we see now, every station almost works also with these user-generated videos every now and then. It's much more common now. And with this, we started the TV station. Something that I, as you talk about it and as we kind of learn a little bit more about media, it's the issues of funding and user access. And I almost, I want to connect Dwarf TV to social media, right? Because we kind of live in an age where now everybody can upload everything. thing um but the more you think about it the more like at least for me i separate those two because social media is very you know it's it's monetized and even even the user generated content is monetized um what would you say the the similarities and differences would be between social media and dwarf tv in terms of content and well, first of all, we're non-commercial. This is really a big difference, I think, because most of the platforms, they are big, big, big, big, huge companies with a lot of money. And the companies exist also in order to make money. We exist in order to give information, in order to give people access, in order to also, it's also about emancipation about knowing how to use media so this is one of really really big difference um i think another difference is probably that uh it's somehow in in a small community circle it's a small community circle, it's a small community scene, so we discuss with people. If they upload something, we think, if they would upload, I have to say, because it really never happened that much, we would discuss with people. We have a charter, and if, for example, they would upload something that is hate speech, we would say no, no. It's not part of our terms of usage. It's not possible. So it's much more also interaction with the users and interaction with the people who do the TV, who do the program. Right. Okay, I also have a quick question. So you have just mentioned that there are particular regulations, so there is some kind of content which you will simply not accept. At the same time, we see that everybody is welcome to submit their videos and their pieces of information to DorfTV. Can we elaborate a little bit on which spheres of information, of life in general, are of a bigger interest for Adorf to be, and which will stay outdoors? Yeah, well, first the charter, or also our terms of usage, they say you cannot use this station for commercial content, so really no commercial content, whether it's a product or something else, really no commercial content, whether it's a product or something else. No religion and no church and no masses, masses, mass celebrations on Dorf TV, whatever religion. And also no advertisement for political parties. It's very welcome to discuss politically. There should be politics on Dove TV, but never as just an advertisement before an election or something that some party says, well, us, because we are the best, this is not possible. And then it's easy. It's no sexist, no racist content. And with that, although it's very, very little, you can really design your program. It's quite easy to say yes or no and to address people whose content we want. Actually, all these stations are also, one of their tasks is also to give people who, marginalized groups, for example, to give them a voice or to make their own image, to produce their own image, to speak themselves. Marginalized groups, migrants, all the marginalized, other marginalized opinions. all the marginalized other marginalized opinions It's this is what we what all these public access stations are therefore Yeah, okay. What would you say are some of your favorite projects that you've covered on Dorf TV? Maybe we can even categorize them. Let's start with art them let's start with art yeah of course since we are part of the art university we are part with this cooperation we also thanks to really have our place inside the art university we have always been there where the next building site was but still always in the context of Art University. We, for example, we have also a course, the Dorf TV Lab, a lecture at Art University. I also had a guest lecture, and it was very interesting then with the students and together with my colleagues from that class to, in the end, to make this presentation like you do now, for example, which I think is quite innovative to present your project via a TV station. Yeah, then in the end, we did a four hour live TV session with all the students and all the colleagues, the teachers from this time-based media class. It's always been interesting also to take part in the festival of the region. Or, for example, last year we had the chance to be part of the Klangwolke. It had to be changed because they could not bring all these people in the Donaupark. So, Art University developed a project that was more audio-oriented. And we did, for example, 24 hours of Linz. Sounding Linz was the title of the sound of the Klangwolke. 24 hours live, still, leise, loud, live, something like that. And each hour we moved to another place in Linz, and we put the camera there on the tripod, and we just did broadcast what was there. I love that. For example, in the night, it was just a street where there were no cars, where there were a lot of cars during the day. Or it was the zoo. We could not go into the first but from from outside we had one hour on on the first um yeah or whatever different it was 24 hours that's so interesting yeah yeah these are really things that also they are also interesting because then the usually the whole team is together doing this. We also have another project that is not so much art-oriented. We call it Na Sehen Fernsehen. This was the title of a conference that we did with Art University already before we started. I think 2008 we started. No, sorry, 2008 and we started 2010. Na Sehen Fernsehen because it's Fernsehen to see far but it's we are local stations we are regional stations it's what is next, what is around you and for this Nase in Fernsehen project, we made it a project that we do every year 12 hours, we ask all our communities, not all of them, but each second year somebody else or sometimes the same, people who make program to prepare like half an hour and we have a main studio like here we had it at the art university here last year And then people from upper Austria, we invite Freistaat, for example, our colleagues from the free radio station, Stadtwerkstatt, whoever. And they also prepare half an hour. The main moderation is done by us and then there are other bits and pieces coming in all these half hours. It's also very nice because it's a team and it's a community project. Everybody is together and we do one thing together. That's very cool. Do you do something in collaboration with the Ars Electronica Center? You mentioned them once. We have been broadcasting the symposiums for several years, the main symposium. We'll see what happens. We did not do it the last three years because everything changed and yeah, it just did not work out, but we are in touch with them and we, for example, they have this home delivery where they do sometimes concerts or very interesting things also in the deep space and we just take the stream and broadcast it on Dorf TV or we also upload videos from that because there was a really interesting content. But this is open so maybe new other corporations. What about these, as you call them, marginalized groups? Yes. Okay, sorry. Yeah, I just wanted to ask what project or case that came up during the years was one of your... Yeah, well, maybe the one that was very dominant the last years, now they are kind of settled, is when 2015 all the refugees came. There were also some very good people. There were journalists, there were cameramen, and some of them also came to Dorf TV or we gave them a possibility to make program. And we also had two guys from Afghanistan or we gave them a possibility to make program. And we also had two guys from Afghanistan. They also, they did with our help or with our organization, they did the, I don't know how to say it in English now. And the, hmm? Apprenticeship. Apprenticeship as a media person. And they also did their exam in the end. And we also did a project together with them for a festival of the region where they did the whole program. This was quite dominant for a while, but it's also the black community, we always help them or we go to them and they have interesting content. We help them to broadcast their events if they wanted or they do talks or yeah, other groups here in Linz, migrants or other groups. in Linz, migrants or other groups. That's very cool. Okay, and so one more thing to ask. There are different people who submit to DORF TV, but what about constant content producers? Do you work with somebody on a regular basis, so somebody who is a constant information provider for you um yes there are well it's true in this public access sphere they change they but some of them stay for years with us and then they have other plans in their life where they leave the city we have for example the jobU has been working with us Marie Edwigi has now another new project about education and discrimination in books we have one we do not only public access we have to do more than 50% public access but we can also do in addition our own program um if we think that something is missing and we have a politic redaction we have a political editor and we've been doing this also for years now um and this is also very interesting and very important for dorf tv i think think, because we have every second week or sometimes more, 20, 25 hours throughout the year, we have a very interesting political program. It's mostly talks, I have to say, because we are a small group, sorry sorry we have a lot of talk on DorfTV and also sometimes music yeah and this is basically the second question like it's more music related have you ever thought of maybe creating something like a regular DorfTV podcast like something like a weekly thing or we have thought of a lot of things maybe not of a weekly thing or oh we have thought of a lot of things podcast um the the problem is that it's always a bit restricted to the resources and uh that we try to do our program and we try to do what is necessary and what we think we but it always takes a little bit of time until something new comes up and we found out if we have to do something weekly we always fail if we have to do it ourselves because at the moment it's not I do not say that we will never be able to do it but at the moment and so far we were not able to do some things on a regular regular basis or like every day or something but it's actually something what makes dorsetv special i would say yeah that things are constantly changing and it's a constant inspiration and uh yeah just development dynamic right I agree. And what else would you say makes DORF TV special? Like, really special? Oh, I think what makes us special, I have to say that we have a lot of ladies here in the team. And even now, there's the ladies behind the camera, the ladies behind the live editing. the ladies behind the camera, the ladies behind the live editing. This is also really something that we really want. We really support that there are females doing also technical stuff, but also present on the program. And I think also it's small, it's like a family a little bit. And I think very open hearted. That's beautiful. We can tell. Yeah, yeah, sure. Speaking about future projects, can we talk about the lab? Because I think this is one of the most important and very interesting topics that I want to talk about. Yeah. How do you envision this working in favor of Dorf.TV? Because I think when it becomes self-sustained, when people can come and create content on their own without needing anybody behind the cameras, I think this will allow for a lot of content for the future. How do you see that? So far my experience is that, but it's only so far, and we will continue to work on it, that without anybody helping, technically, it's hard for people. I mean, the lab has two things. The lab is the Dorf TV lab in Wiesensturm, is the place where we do all our workshops. And the workshops will teach you how to make a video or how to make a live broadcast. We do workshops for schools, for example. First they find the topic together, and then they work on that, they work on the technical side, and then in the end they do a little live broadcast. Because also one idea is that first you have the theory, and then it's combined with the practical usage of the theory in the end. This is one part of the lab, giving people media literacy to educate people. And the other part is there is also a small studio giving people media literacy to educate people. And the other part is there is also a small studio that we want to establish as a, yeah, more or less, self being, for people to use it, to be easy to use. We will see, there's also, you have to find the right people. We'll see, You have to find the right people. We have to find formats that are interesting for the people. Or at least invite people to develop their own formats. And I think this will be interesting. And I said my idea is a little bit towards YouTube, Dove TV Lab. a little bit towards YouTube, DovTV Lab. It's also with a new kind of aesthetics, not this classical speaking to each other, but speaking into the camera, like you see it on YouTube most of the time. Yeah, it's work in progress, I would say. I love that because it seems like it takes the spark of passion or interest in media and really flames it so that they're supported and actually continuing that, which I love. That's amazing. Yeah, actually, we always look what is going on, what are the interesting things, and how can we also implement them or how can we use them or what formats. You always have to make a little project out of it or try something new out this is what usually was the possibility with art projects there's a bit more extra funding sometimes from a festival for example you can try out new things that's very cool and one more thing I use door to be regional yeah so it's again about submission and having a chance to participate um are there regional limitations for people so for example it's more for uh Austrian people or people from upper Austria or also like as we are today foreigners who are in the upper Austria so we can do it so what are the regional limits in this case I don't think there are really limits uh what did I say last time I said uh you are here now so you can do your program um or there's some connection with you this is really open um I mean it's not, we do not write to America, please upload your programs. I mean, there are also German stations. There are also open, often canals or public access stations. Most of it is really done from here. It's also easier with the communication because it's very important. There always has to be communication with the people or it makes it easier. But there is not really a limit. And if somebody moves to Australia and has been uploading, then they are very welcome to continue that. Good to know. And the internet is international now. And with the lab going back again, do you see maybe streamers? Do you see a potential for streamers to use the lab to produce content? Because I think in recent years, streaming has become more popular than just YouTube videos. We want to provide streaming for everybody. It's not even restricted to the lab. We have a streaming server now and our idea is to support also some of them already have it, but those who want it, we can help them to set up a streaming situation and then stream to our server and we can broadcast that. So streaming is of course a topic, a big topic. What would you say to someone who is watching right now who wants to do something, present a project that they're working on but they don't know where to start? Yeah, get in touch with us. You heard that. know where to start yeah get in touch with us so just get in touch with us call Anna call me write to us we will have a meeting and we can discuss what you want like we did with you and see what fits best for you it's individually different maybe and and then we can just do it and we also know that you support a lot people who would like to provide and just show their own programs could you please tell us more about the technical support you can provide and also moral support which is very important when you don't know how to do things. So somebody who starts from scratch, can they rely on you for help? And as I said, technical equipment. Yeah, well, it's restricted with our resources, of course, but we always try to make possible as much as possible. And we have equipment that people can use, that they can lend in order to produce something. It's not much, but it has been enough so far. Technically, if you want to do a show like this, for example, we say you make the content. We do the technical side, so there is our team to support you with the camera work and with the live editing. Also for streaming whatever, I mean it's always a question of what people need and what they want and then we can make things possible if it's more complicated, we also like to experiment, sometimes we do that Orfina does that. She's teaching at this art university class, the Dorf TV lab. It's also called lab. Then they experiment, for example, with streaming with handies to Dorf TV. I think we should be able to do it already. To do live editing with different handy stream. So, you know, just try out different, not new technologies, but to try out the existing technologies to use them for the television. I also find this approach very innovative and actually very unique. And it's just brilliant for somebody who wants to start. Yeah, so yeah, that's something I'm amazed about. Yeah, I'm very happy that you really, we gave you this idea and you took this idea and now we are here to do this show. All right. So speaking about innovation and going back to traditional media, do you believe or where do you see traditional media, aka TV, newspapers and radio stations lacking in terms of innovation? Well, in terms of innovation, well, I think as far as the ORF is concerned, they are always missing that they cannot put the content online for longer than a week. This is not a technical problem, it's a legal problem. They're working on that. Yeah, ORF now has also started the tip two, tip zwei, on TikTok, which I find quite interesting. I think the question how to use younger people is very important because younger people usually do not watch TV that much anymore. They prefer to stream. They prefer Netflix or all these streaming platforms or video on demand, watching everything on the internet. Well, I think innovation maybe not just technical, as we said, uploading, is being used sometimes. I think there's also one big difference, maybe to add to the first question, between Dorf.TV or all these non-commercial media and the traditional media. The content that is being produced on Dorf.TV or on these non-commercial community media is always the content of the people who want to do something and we support them. And if we think we need something else, we have the chance, like with our Politikredaktion to add something. Or we also have a Literatur, a literature program that is being done by us. I think the difference is that there is not one redaction, one editing board that decides, okay, today we talk about that. Tomorrow we talk about that. Always this evaluation of what news are important. This always, of course, is then part of how is my medium structured, who are the owners of my medium, what can I broadcast, what information does my audience want to see, want to hear this out, I guess this is important. Not for the journalists, but sometimes they have to work within this framework framework and this is not the case with all these non-commercial media, there is no restriction and if there is a content that is a bit difficult then yeah, then you have to, we talk about it and say okay we think we have to do it like that or like that. It's very, very difficult. We need good facts. We have to do research. So what was the question? In general, where do you think traditional media... The innovation in traditional media. Yeah, what I wanted to say, it's maybe not just technical innovation. I think innovation is also something that is social. And one thing that is very important is to work against this drifting to the right, drifting into the radical part. I think every media is working on that now. Every serious medium is working on that now. Every serious medium is working on that to provide information to put something against all this misinformation that is around on the social media to put serious, checked and balanced information, fact and not fakes. So I think this really adds something or helps to not split or divide society completely, to add some programs or some information and that helps society to develop, to stay an open society or to remain an open society, to help democracy to stay and remain. But in general, today we are basically facing this digital world and everything is going into the media platforms, applications, and everything is in our phones. Do you think we actually need traditional media nowadays? Will it have the future? Well, I think we need good information. If it's really the traditional media, what we see is that there are still TVs, still people make TV people, newspapers make TV everybody who can makes TV and those who are not on a broadcast they do it online I mean the video is very important if it's then on a handy or on a smart phone or on a TV, maybe this is not the most important question. Yeah. It's really a lot of talk about mobile, and I think people really are using mobile a lot. So it should at least, if it's a TV station with a big smart TV at home, it should work on a big smart TV, but it should also work on the smartphone. Right. Makes sense. And maybe even further, if we look further into the future with the development of Web3 and immersive technologies like virtual reality, do you see traditional media having place there? Or maybe how do you see news being broadcasted in that way? Virtual reality. Do you see traditional media having place there or maybe how do you see news being broadcasted in that way? Virtual reality. Virtual reality, something that is more immersive than just a flat screen. It will be more immersive and maybe then even more sucking you up. So it will be a lot more responsibility I guess. And I think even more powerful because 2D and flat screens can do only so much when you get immersed in the environment, you experience emotions that you cannot experience otherwise. Are you talking about this new project of Facebook? Yeah, I've been following Oculus and Meta for a while. And what is your biggest expectation and at the same time your biggest fear when it comes to your project, DORF TV? Well, the biggest fear, I don't really have a fear, but expectation, of course, we all want to be important. We all want to make an impact. We all want to do something for agenda setting. We want to bring topics into the discourse. This would really be something that we strive for. And what's the impact that you want to bring with DORF TV? Impact for democracy and open society. For democracy. And diversity, I would say, because I know that DORF TV really supports diversity, which is very important. Pluralism, variety, open society, democracy. So to say just a few words. Those are big values. Yes, they are big, but it's very important to never give them up and to always strive for them and to always work on supporting them. Any questions? Maybe something more personal. We can play around with questions. Yeah, all right alright so the rules are simple we're just going to bombard you with quick questions you just have to answer one word what are your hobbies my hobbies I like I like I like so many things I like martial arts I like so many things. I like martial arts, I like music, playing guitar. I don't do anything of that. I like going into the mountains, etc. If you could live anywhere in the world, would be i think i would uh live somewhere where it's really warm and i think it's like austria is fine the sun is really warm and uh in the winter it's cold this mixture makes it good what's your favorite word my favorite word word yeah i've always loved this brazil saudade. Oh, yeah. I think it means something like a yearning, but it means also home. It means a lot of... What makes you laugh the most? A good joke. No, not a good joke. A bad joke. Happiness. Bad joke. We got plenty of those. no not a good joke a bad joke happiness we got plenty of those and what was your first job my first job was more or less what I'm doing now was my first job cultural work my favorite book I read the questions and I thought, I think I've been lately I've been thinking and this really made me laugh. It was the Hitchhiker's Guide Through the Galaxy. If you could have one superpower, what would it be? One superpower... Ah yeah, make people laugh. Who's your hero? Yeah, I don't have one hero. I think I have a lot of heroes and I really enjoy seeing great, great women on TV and there are so many really good women and I enjoy they are all heroines for me if you could change one thing in the world what would it be? only one thing there you go yeah I would change that people do not talk to each other I'm a good good man Yeah, I would change that people do not talk to each other. I'm a good man. What would you say is your proudest accomplishment in DorfTV? I think that one is that we exist and that we still exist. Because it was a long way. It was like 10, 20 years. And maybe your biggest goal with Dorf TV, where do you want to reach? Yeah, as I said before, if we think it big, we want to make the world a good place, a better place than it is in some aspects. Agenda setting, bringing in topics, make people think, and give people trust in news and in fact and in themselves also, I guess, which we do in a way with our education program. It's really important. It's very important. A lot about empowerment. Right, right. You know what, Gabrielle? I think that our cohort is tuning in now. So I would love to give a shout out to the Leo group at JKU. And we hope that you're enjoying our presentation. I know that we have absolutely enjoyed talking with you today. You guys are awesome. Thank you very much. And thank you for really picking up this idea of doing it with us, doing this presentation. No, thank you for meeting with us and all the support. We're not kidding when we say we really enjoyed. You were our lucky star. So maybe one or two closing questions. What would you say was your favorite moment from being part of the DoorTV community? If it could be a photo, a meeting, an experience. I think one of the favorite moments was really when we were on air and because it was our technician he was an art student. He was not a technician he was an art student with a lot of real good technical skills and he proposed to these people he proposed a system that they had never used before because we were broadcasting with wireless LAN from the Art University, from the roof of the Art University to the antenna on Lichtenberg, about five kilometers. And they proposed this WLAN. It was legal. We did not have to pay, I think, for the license. And the technicians who had to set it up there, they did not really think it would work, and then it worked. So I was really happy with this. I mean, we were happy. We trusted it. And this was also seeing that with this background, also from Stadttagsofstadt with art and technology where you have to find solutions to problems that are available and that you can also pay. So this was a good background. This was really an amazing moment. Thank you for sharing. All right and final question. If anyone who's watching wants to go on Dorf TV, how they should proceed? How should they go about it? Where can they find you? Yeah, they find us on the website, www.dorftvwrittentogether.at, and then grab any contact and just get in touch, send an email, send an idea call and maybe Dorf is also, it's not about the village but it's the village the village is but it's Dorf stands for Der offene Rundfunk the open broadcast That's interesting I was thinking that it should be an abbreviation for something, but I had no clue for what. And that's it. That's great. Thank you so much again. We really enjoyed this. And thank you to everybody who has supported us. All right. Have an excellent day, everybody.