Terra FM, Teacher Education Radio Austria, das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. Herzlich willkommen bei PHTV Terra FM, dem Studierendenradio und Studierendenfernsehen der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich, live aus unserem Studio in der Huemastraße. Wir sind heute wirklich Radiosendung, das heißt ich habe ein Radio-Mic hier, das ist das erste Mal und das gibt uns hoffentlich endlich guten Ton, nachdem wir schon 20 Jahre suchen. Und ich habe zwei Gäste und aufgrund dieser zwei Gäste wird diese Sendung in englischer Sprache abgehalten. Wir werden die Gäste dann auch im Laufe der Sendung wechseln. Sie sind incoming Erasmus Studierende bei uns. Sie kommen aus verschiedenen Ländern. Sie alle machen den Video- und Radiokurs und deshalb sind sie bei uns gleich sozusagen bei ihrem ersten Termin Gast in der Sendung. I switch to English now because we have the international students in here and out there and a very warm welcome to Mine from Turkey and to Theo, he allowed me to use the short form, Theo from Turkey as well. Very welcome to the program. Wow, thanks so much for having us. Yeah, our topic today is the importance of media education in schools. And we will also speak a little bit because we have an international perspective. We will also try to find out a little bit what you already know, how it is done. I mean, you all were students in your countries. So, you know, was this a topic was was talked about how TV and radio is produced? Because we still we also here have a little bit of focus on practical media education, which means we're actually doing what we talk about yeah so Theo maybe you first can you can you say did you during your school career did you come across like some kind of what will you consider as media education um so basically I was born in 2002 and we are basically a Gen Z. When we started out like first years, like a primary school, it was in this baby steps. But even though the projector in a class was a bit fascinating to me as well. And when we learn English, we use that a lot. learn English, we use that a lot. Even though it's not that interactive in those days, like in today, we use that a lot. So we are the generation that comes between the CD photos and after that we used SD cards and we are using clouds now. So it was a big change throughout our eyes and it was fascinating to how can i say seeing things more improved you know and we used it a lot actually before choosing my major in high school but also on a reflective level i'm not i'm not talking only about kind of used technology in school. It's more really this reflective level. How do we get information and who produces it? Yeah, most of the time when it was in its baby steps, it was more controlled. But right now with cloud technologies and so on, we are bombarded with so many information that we cannot do the effective filtering. It's a good way in its core because you can idealize what you want. But it's a bad way in a sense that you cannot guess the production is correct or not. In an effective level, I if you have a good eyes or good vision to visualize what is good for me or not i can take the information not individually but also for the folks but if you take it as like improvisedly like um not with careless is like improvisational like not with careless manner it can do the worst like a lot of social media trends like a lot of stuff today they are not effective filtering even though with the clothes they don't know how it looks good on me or not they are just buying it so it's nonsensical some influencer told them this is cool. Yeah, this is cool or this is the trend. This is the thing you should do on. But that color doesn't fit me. Like how can I see and perceive? Even though for the announcements and for the national media, they are doing it social media. In Turkey, they are doing it too. But this is fake news. Like it is very obvious it is fake but many people believe it it's like click baiting or fish baiting how can i say it so it was not cool at all yeah you two are you about the same age yeah we have age yeah age group yeah we have peers yeah yeah you are i think you you are from antalya yeah and mine i think you're also yeah okay you both study i think english in antalya yeah so you become you will become language teachers yeah i mean radio video and language is very very closely yes good yeah uh mine if you if you heard now Tio, do you think, did you have the same experience or would you say something different? I agree with him. The microphone has to be like this. I agree with him. And then education, I think education has become much more popular with digital media and news spread faster through communication. I think the more communication we have with friends, the more information we have. And then, yeah, with technology, I think everything is much more easy. Did you come across something like school TV or school radio? I came across before, yeah. Your school had a radio program? I think we used social media to share some sort of, I don't know. Some sort of events, but also in our school, we are from the same university, by the way, we have a radio, but it's not that active like isn't it I don't know because I'm not this is not my major and also I didn't hear it at all but with a studio like this this is the first time I came across like I'm not like I don't have the experience the same with a production like this or production value like this and also topics we didn't have that much you know so we have in walking steps too i mean i'm interested because as you come from turkey i mean um how would you say you as young turkish people turkish citizens uh what makes up your opinion how do you get your what is your main source of information I think I had I use social media a lot in my daily life so through social media I I can reach a lot of information and then by social media you mean exactly like what apps YouTube or Instagram and you follow like you have certain people you follow or is it the people you already know also personally or I just watch I'm just watching like whatever it's your new feed yeah well okay and you are you are probably aware that there are I'm just watching like whatever It's your new feed Okay And you are probably aware that there are algorithms in the background who kind of select according to your viewing habits to kind of give you things, the algorithm things you're interested in I watch like kind of some Turkish series and then news channels and then yeah. What news channels for instance? News channels? I follow BBC. Even though it's not in Turkish. Me too actually. To improve my english level or bbc by the way yeah she made a good point yeah bbc's documentaries and also like topic range has developed my english a lot when i was studying language teaching in my school so yeah if somebody from the bbc is listening by the way just now we would need a lot of money because we want to have some more better infrastructure here so to the bbc we have three listeners here and uh so maybe you can sponsor us a little bit with some money so yeah yeah okay yeah is it if you say bbc is it the world service or is it the bbc world service or certain programs of the bbc uh bbc world world service and bbc sounds maybe maybe. They have lots of documentaries. Podcasts maybe, while I'm traveling. I use it a lot. Yeah, me too. That's interesting. So mine is a bit emotional experience. Let me... So I use Twitter a lot. X now they call it nowadays. But I still use Twitter because it makes more sense. But the thing is, when you see something that is so gore in your face, because you want to be up to date with the political stuff, or not just political, just trans and stuff, they are so gore in your face. It really broke my psychology a lot like i don't want to get included in it so i really deleted the app i used instagram and i'm still using it for example i i'm here in lens i'm traveling i post with my friends and for myself it looks good they send you hearts and stuff so it looks perfect i really reject tiktok even though my friends say hey it's according your preferences you can make cool feeds according to what you follow but scrolling like over scrolling like this makes me feel really how can i say it is out of touch it is non-sensible i don't really like that Bu şekilde bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir şey gibi bir And let me tell you, not every video has to be an educational content. I'm not saying it. Entertaining is a sector too. But it's not cool. It's not funny. Why are we doing that? Yeah. It's not fun. Even when we entertain, we have to be aware that there is a lot of message. Because I also want entertainment sometimes. When I come home at night i want some some stupid series maybe which just entertains me but still i see a lot of message and i think it's the message that is interesting for us as teachers in media education yeah yeah if we think about media education it's all about messages what messages do we get by what and sometimes because when you say you watch a news channel you know that uh there is an intention you have to tell you something but when you watch some love story like there might not be it might not be so obvious what the intention is uh by the way at this stage also, because I see them smiling out there, because I only need to use the word love and everybody out there is smiling. Thanks to the technical team, which is very big today. As usual, of course, Daniel Dautovic, Dietmar Enne, but there are lots of others. I don't think I can remember the names, but as they will come in here on the hot seats afterwards anyway, and thank you too, because you actually took the hot seats right from the beginning. But the others will come as well. So we can introduce them then, because of course I forgot already the names again. But thank you to the technical staff for hopefully doing a great job. We don't hear it. We only hear it afterwards. So it's the message in media education which is interesting for us what messages are transported and what influence has that on our societies yeah definitely yeah if you think about uh turkish present-day society what do you think uh do you see do you see is it just very diverse or do you see a kind of certain direction it is going? I think it's very diverse. And then we saw a lot of like when it comes to like global warming or environmental pollution, like we can see a lot of videos or sharing ideas and it's very helpful to learn how we can take precautions. So in school when you'll be teachers, do you think you will bring up those topics? You will like analyze media programs and look like what are the messages what is the intention yeah for creating a communicative approach because we don't want to in school they say don't for example this is one rule don't teach grammar beforehand or don't do it explicitly or don't pick up the certain words. Just do it as a whole and people will or the students will decipher it. So for creating a communicative approach, it will be a great way to channel our feelings because the language is all about transferring feelings. the language is all about transferring feelings and i think that i will use it a lot if i had a great team because you cannot do this alone too you have you you have to have five or six more visual people to get in and create a scenario like this because other than that you're idealizing it's hard to get some equipments and stuff but I want to definitely use it it's not it's not really hard I mean if you think of other stuff that are bought for schools definitely in the price range yeah so I don't think it's that hard I think it's more a question of how important it is seen by the people responsible. Yeah, definitely. By the way, that is interesting. How are schools financed in Turkey? Is it state financed or is it cities or is it private? I think the whole Ministry of Education do it by, not state by state, but like city by city. City? Yeah. Like in Austria. Yeah, it's kind of like that and but the mishap is not every region has um been reaching the same amount of money for example if you do the turkish map like when you divide it as a half the left side is more open to new ideas and stuff even though that's an ignorant thing to say maybe if you know about turkish history you can call me immigrant but...şimdiye kadar daha özel bir şekilde yeni fikirlere açık. Belki de bunu bilmeyen bir şey diyebiliriz. Türk tarihinden bilirseniz beni nekret diyebilirsiniz. Hatay'da doğdum. Yüzyılda. Ve Leburga'da yaşıyordum. Balkanlı bir yer. Bölgeden sonra. O yüzden çok fazla teknolojiye sahip olduğum bir şansım vardı. Ama Anatoly'un diğer arkadaşları... was having a chance a lot of rich technology beforehand but my other friends from anatolia they didn't have a chance to get it that um that's a bit unfair yeah it's a bit unfair i was in moosh i was in moosh yeah anatolia okay that was funny because nils and i actually you know yeah yeah i know these and i we were in Muş and when we changed the planes in Istanbul uh I'll never forget that because we had to also take the luggage out and check it in again yeah for the for the for the domestic flight and uh the lady she looked at at the board she looked at our tickets and then she looked at us and then she started laughing what will those two guys what do they want in moosh but it was great yeah we had a great time there yeah and we had students from from moosh as well so actually it wasn't it wasn't that i think the university was quite well media wise yeah yeah no it has been developing like last 10 years but when i was in primary medya olarak. Bu 10 yıl önce gelişmişti. Ama primar okulunda çok kötü şeyler vardı. Benim klasığımda o teknolojileri kullanmak biraz şanslıyım. Ama şu an evet. Ama Türkler, biz de çok merak ediyoruz. Nasıl çalışıyor? Nasıl çalışıyor? Ağlamaların telefonlarını anlayacağını deniyorlar. Ağlamamın how does it work even though the old people try to understand the phones like even though my grandpa was having a facebook app and sent me text messages through it so we are very curious and loud people as well uh we are more aware of what we are using but also false information spreads like a fire too yeah and it gets easier and easier yeah that's why it's so important kind of to understand the production yeah i mean the product how media is produced because uh it doesn't make you completely immune yeah but it at least makes you a little bit more competent in kind of finding out what could be true and what not. There is a very good film. I'd like to advertise it here before we actually switch the teams. It's called How to Build a Truth Engine by Fritz Moser. I really can recommend that film. It was already in some cinemas, but it should be in cinemas again, I think. It's a very actual film and it looks a little bit behind kind of that also how we actually get how many influences they're actually out there trying to influence our opinion. So I think it's time for some music. I don't know what comes now. I heard that it might be Sezen Aksu. It's a Turkish singer I really like but maybe they can... Have we arranged it? I don't know oh they haven't no it's not the technical stuff says it is somebody else something else so it will be a surprise for all of us some music I say goodbye to Teo and to Mine in here they will switch to the technical side and we have new guests after the music break it was a pleasure thank you thank you Teşekkürler. 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Jakarsam! Ja, hier sind wir wieder, PHTV, Terra FM, live aus dem Studio in der Huemastraße. Die Gäste haben gewechselt, wir haben hier die Hamida und wir haben hier die Sandra. Und die Sprache wechselt auch, weil beide sind aus Österreich und beide sind Studierende der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich hier und keine Erasmus-Studierenden. Das heißt, wir machen diesen Teil des Programms jetzt einfach auf Deutsch. Ich hoffe, das gelingt mir und ich falle nicht irgendwie automatisch wieder ins Englisch. Also ihr beide seid hier bei mir jetzt da sozusagen im Studio, weil ihr das Wahlfach, wie heißt es jetzt genau eigentlich? Video und Radioarbeit oder Video und Labor. Video und Film und Radio und Labor. Ja, irgendwie so. ich weiß nicht mehr. Und diese Veranstaltung läuft sozusagen zusammen mit einer Veranstaltung, die wir im internationalen Studienprogramm anbieten, Video und Radio und Education. Also jetzt heißt sie eigentlich Digital Media Production for Education or whatever. Aber das Zentrale ist eigentlich bei beiden Kursen oder überhaupt bei diesem Kurs einfach, dass wir uns damit auseinandersetzen, wie können wir Medienproduktion in die Schule bringen, damit sie dort praktisch passiert, weil ich zumindest einmal die Ansicht habe, dass was man tut, versteht man besser. Wie seht ihr das? Sandra vielleicht, wo meinst du? Also ich finde es generell wichtig, die neuen Medien einzubauen, grundsätzlich, weil es einfach, man merkt, die Kinder wachsen damit einfach auf, die kannst du so damit begeistern einfach und ich glaube, wenn man so einen Unterricht einbaut oder sonstiges, da hat man die Kinder eigentlich recht gut mit der Motivation, dass sie selbst mitmachen. Kann ich eine Geschichte erzählen? Ich bin einmal, also ich bin ja mit dem Radio, eigentlich haben wir begonnen, ja, eher auf Radio froh, vor vielen, vielen Jahren. Das haben wir Poison FM genannt in der Schule. Und das war einmal Weihnachtsferien. Und in den Weihnachtsferien haben wir normal immer sozusagen die Station informiert, dass wir nichts machen, weil es sind ja Ferien. Die haben dann Musik gespielt oder so zu der Zeit, wo wir eben waren. Und das war, damals hatten wir ja noch kein Studio gehabt und so, da sind wir ja hingegangen und haben mir gedacht, haben wir vergessen, ja dann nehme ich halt, das waren damals noch CDs, die sehe ich jetzt nicht mehr, wackeln meine CDs genommen und bin dann rübergegangen und habe mir gedacht, mache ich wieder mal alleine einfach Sendung. Ja, macht mir eh Spaß und so. Komme ich dort an, es sind fünf Kinder und sagen, was tust denn du da? Ja, und dann bin ich wieder gegangen mit meinen CDs. Für sie war es völlig klar, ob Weihnachtsferien oder nicht, wir haben Sendung, also sind wir da. Und wir machen das, ja. Also du merkst einfach, gell, also nicht, sozusagen, das ist ja normal nicht in der Schule, das hat man ja nicht immer, dass sozusagen dass sie in den Ferien eigentlich freiwillig ein Schulprogramm machen. Und ich kann mich noch erinnern, am Schluss, wenn einer von denen, die bei dieser Truppe dabei war, die waren überhaupt sehr gut, als ich fertig war mit der Schule, hat es mir dann eine Karte geschlossen, danke, es war eine coole Zeit. Und das ist ja eigentlich voll schön. Und das gelingt. Und nebenbei kann man nämlich auch sehr viel noch transportieren. Aber jetzt würde es mich mal interessieren, vielleicht fängst du einmal an, Hamida. Du hast mir ja schon geschrieben, sozusagen, wird es das geben? Ja, genau. Du weißt irgendwie ja schon ganz, sozusagen, und das freut mich ja sehr. Was war da anders? Was hat dich da bewegt? Also ich habe mit ein paar Studenten darüber gesprochen gehabt, die auch dieses Wahlfach bei ihnen gemacht haben und die haben gemeint, ja, die haben sehr viel Spaß gehabt und die waren sehr motiviert und wir sollten uns unbedingt dafür anmelden. wird es das Wahlfach geben und sie meinte, sie weiß es noch nicht, dann habe ich sie angeschrieben. Ja, ich habe so lange hin und her geschrieben und dann haben sie mir halt per Mail geantwortet, das wird es doch geben und ich habe mich dann einfach angemeldet. Also, um ehrlich zu sein, ich habe das jetzt auch gar nicht erwartet, dass wir das jetzt so irgendwie machen, dass wir jetzt irgendwie live sind und dass wir mit Mikrofone dastehen und über digitale Medien reden. Aber ich habe mir gedacht, ich möchte einfach die Erfahrung machen. Und ja, ich bin halt voll nervös und schauen wir mal. Ich hoffe, ich kriege das im Griff. Naja, man merkt das überhaupt. Also wenn du das jetzt nicht gesagt hättest, dann hätte das kein Mensch gemerkt. Ich bin auch manchmal ein bisschen nervös, aber immer weniger. Also wenn man das einmal sehr viele Jahre macht, natürlich kommt eine gewisse Routine dazu. Ja, stimmt. Aber ein bisschen nervös, das ist völlig okay. Das ist eine Live-Sendung. Also wenn man bei einer Live-Sendung gar nicht nervös ist, dann ist man ziemlich abgestumpft. Ich höre tatsächlich noch nie bei einer Live-Sendung. Das ist mein erstes Mal. Ja, das heißt, und du machst es super. Dankeschön. Und was war das bei dir? Was hat es bei dir da ausgelöst, was du gesagt hast? Ich meine, das ist das super. Dankeschön. Und was war das bei dir? Was hat das bei dir da aus, als du gesagt hast? Ich meine, das ist mal super. Also das freut mich. So eine Motivation. Es ist zwar schade, wenn man darum kämpfen muss, dass man uns findet. Vielleicht müssen wir da mal was machen. Es ist ein Hinweis vielleicht an alle Leute, die da draußen was mit, irgendwie auch mit PH Online oder irgendwas zu tun haben. Weil für die Hamida war es offensichtlich schwer, uns überhaupt zu finden. Das soll man vielleicht ändern. Sandra, wie war es offensichtlich schwer, uns überhaupt zu finden. Das werden wir vielleicht ändern. Sandra, wie war es bei dir? Hast du uns gleich gefunden? Tatsächlich, ja. Und ich habe mir die ganzen Auflistungen angeschaut und mir war es trotzdem wichtig, dass ich Wahlfach trotzdem wähle, was mir persönlich auch Spaß macht und wo ich was lernen kann und was auch für die Kinder nachhaltig interessant sein kann. Und seien wir es ehrlich, das gefällt den Kindern trotzdem. Und ich finde auch schon langsam Gefallen dran. Super. Zuerst haben Sie noch nicht alle, habt ihr noch nicht ganz gewusst, ob es da wirklich einer gibt, auf diesen sozusagen Hot-Seed, der gar nicht so hot ist. Wollten wir gar nicht. Man vergisst es. Also wir wollen, das heißt jetzt nicht, dass wir Sie da draußen, die jetzt zuschauen und zuhören, vergessen. Das wollen wir natürlich nicht. Also wir denken natürlich an euch alle. Also wir sind, wie sagt man da, mit unseren Herzen bei euch? Nein. Das ist jetzt schon fast kitschig, oder? Nachdem ich vorhin schon so viel über Love geredet habe. Und es hat aber, man muss jetzt natürlich aufpassen, weil man kriegt ja dann vielleicht einen Vorwurf, es geht immer nur um Spaß. Und denkst du, dass das zum Beispiel schon einfach, wenn man solche Sachen in der Schule macht, wie Fernsehproduktion oder Radioproduktion, dass das einen Einfluss hat auf das, wie Kinder und Jugendliche dann Fernsehen und Radio konsumieren oder auch eben die ganzen Internetmöglichkeiten? Also ich würde da auf jeden Fall Ja sagen. Man muss halt nur bedenken, wie mache ich das, wie gehe ich voran, wie bringe ich es den Kindern bei. Und ich glaube, dass die Kinder dabei auch sehr viel Spaß haben können, auch sehr motiviert sind. Also ich würde das voll gerne mit meinen Kindern ausprobieren wollen. Deswegen habe ich mich ja auch dafür angemeldet, um einfach zu schauen, was mich erwartet, was kann ich mit den Kindern machen, also auf jeden Fall, ja. Ich kann mich tatsächlich noch anschließen, ich denke mir besonders heutzutage mit den ganzen Fake News und so, es ist ja aktueller denn je, ist trotzdem wichtig als Lehrperson sich auch mit den Themen auseinanderzusetzen und dann überlegen, was kann ich mit meinen Kindern, wie machen, was ist mir persönlich wichtig, dass ich einfach übermittel. Ihr werdet beide in der Volksschule erlangen. Ja genau. Ich denke mir, man kann da wirklich nicht früh genug anfangen. Ich habe jetzt am Anfang mein erstes Hörspiel, wie ich in Wien in einer Volksschule gearbeitet habe, mit siebenjährigen gemacht. Und das war echt super. Ja das glaube ich. Und ich habe jetzt ein bisschen am Faden verloren, das kann auch passieren, das glaube ich. Und ich habe jetzt aber ein bisschen einen Faden verloren. Das kann auch passieren. Das ist überhaupt kein Problem. Irgendwas wollte ich jetzt da irgendwie auf irgendwas wollte ich noch hinaus. Man kann halt früh genug anfangen. Ja, also ja. Ich habe ein bisschen einen Faden verloren. Wenn ich den Faden verlor, dann spielen wir mal kurz Musik und dann kommt der Faden wieder. videa. Utrhla v krávu a začala hrát Ta malá dáma z předměstí Co umí lidem zlaníčí Tam kočky z rána bývají hlad Po noci plný neřestí, je pohladí a dájí míst. Pod mě se touhá a hned nespí, a její oči vidí víc než mí. Došly mi slova, já stál tam jen, s touhle jedinou bych se mřel. když ví, prošli mi slova, já stál tam jen, s touhle jedinou bych zemřel. S touhle bych zemřel jedinej den, a jestli vám to nestačí, kdyby tam stála stovka žen, bys byl k tanci a to netáčím. Tam za tretí svý jdou pěma, mince po kašnách pozbírá, a pak je skládá na kolej. Staví si chrám plechovej most, už po něm kráčí první host. Tak ať ho nohy nebolej. Prošla si peklem a konzla zná, Konec. Žel v jedinej den, a jestli vám to nestačí, kdyby tam stála stovka žen, když můjch tanci jako nepradu. Došli klamatovat na tu chvíli, když nálaz dělo to jak pagamíny, a já už viděl, že jsem ztracenej. Zeptal jsem za tolik, s pocitem viny. Jsem ztracený, zeptal jsem za kolik, zpokřítem ví. Stouhle bych se mřel jedinej den, a jestli vám to nestačí, kdyby tam stála stovka žen, nejsme jen k tanci a to netančí. Stouhle bych se mřel jedinej den, a jestli vám to nestačí, Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Das war jetzt ein langer Faden, ein längerer Faden, als ich gedacht habe. Und die Sandra und die Hamida haben mir geholfen, meinen Faden wiederzufinden. Als alter Mann darf man schon manchmal einen Faden verlieren. Der Faden war nämlich, wir waren bei Fake News, da sind wir hängen geblieben. Und es ist kein Wunder, dass mir der Faden ein bisschen hängen bleibt und schwer aufstößt, weil das ist natürlich ein Thema, das ist ganz schwierig. Ich bin ja an sich ein sehr medienkritischer Mensch und ich habe lange in die Richtung gearbeitet, dass wir kritisch gegenüber den etablierten Medien sein müssen. Und sozusagen ist ja die Idee der ganzen Mediendemokratisierung, was wir kritisch gegenüber den etablierten Medien sein müssen und sozusagen ist ja die Idee der ganzen Mediendemokratisierung, was wir da tun, dass wir auch Fernsehen und Radio machen können, das war nicht immer selbstverständlich. Also in Österreich gab es eine Zeit, da hat man das gar nicht dürfen. Da hat es dann Piratenradios gegeben und so, da war das also ganz streng geregelt und auf einmal ist dann was passiert, ich kann mich noch erinnern, es war ein Entzug, da hat ein öderer Mann das erste erste mal gesagt er schaut sowieso nur mehr alternativmedien mein erst gedanke war ein hörer ein seher ja also mit alternativmedien hat er gemeint mich oder uns ja und dann bin ich draufgekommen der meint ganz was anders der meint diese kanäle da und so diese telegramm kanäle und was da alles gibt ja wo der völlig isoliert von einer Seite her Informationen bezieht, die sein Weltbild prägen. Und alles andere als Fake News abtut. Wenn du an Fake News denkst, Hamida, was denkst du da? Was bringt die? Ich glaube, du hast da sogar ein freundliches Auftrag. Ich weiß nicht, man glaubt dann halt alles. Man glaubt alles, was man liest und klammert sich, glaube ich, auch voll daran, dass das halt wahrscheinlich echt so ist. Aber wieso glaubt man dann etablierten Medien weniger, als man zum Beispiel an solchen Kanälen glaubt? Was glaubst du, ist da der Anlass oder der Grund? Gute Frage, das weiß ich nicht. Ist es das Gefühl, dass da irgendwie Leute dahinter sind, die einem nahe sind vielleicht? Obwohl man sie vielleicht wahrscheinlich gar nicht kennt? Oder weil man es einfach glauben möchte, glaube ich. Das Glauben ist ein wichtiger Faktor. Das denke ich halt. Sandra? Ja, ich denke mir so, wenn man nur mit Informationen von einer Seite die ganze Zeit bezieht, wie soll man sich dann weiterentwickeln? Man glaubt ja das natürlich, weil man hört ja nur das, wenn man zum Beispiel in einer Familie geboren wird oder in einem Umfeld, wo man zum Beispiel immer nur einseitige Informationen bekommt. Warum soll man dann anderen Leuten glauben? Das sind ja die Ängsten sozusagen. Warum sollten die einem anlügen? Das glaube ich, ist auch ein wichtiger Punkt. Und mit der Internet Community, glaube ich, weitet sich das mit den Ängsten aus. Man hat auf einmal das Gefühl, dass man Leuten nahe ist, denen man eigentlich gar nicht nahe ist. Das geht so weit, dass das zum Teil Bots sind, also gar nicht wirkliche Menschen. Und trotzdem glaubt man, Michael ist ihnen nahe. Und sowas, glaube ich, muss man auch mit Kindern diskutieren. Dass es ja Interessen gibt, die ansteuern wollen. Die gibt es natürlich auch im Bereich der etablierten Medien, keine Frage. Da ist immer wer dahinter. Es ist immer irgendwo wer dahinter, der Interessen hat, auch sozusagen Meinung zu transportieren. Und vielleicht ist es darum auch so wichtig, auch sozusagen Meinung zu transportieren. Und vielleicht ist es darum wichtig, dass man verschiedene Quellen hat, nicht nur eine. Also wenn du Lehrerin werden wirst, wie lange dauert das noch? Ich bin schon im Masterstudium. Ja, das heißt, du arbeitest schon? Noch nicht. Noch nicht? Noch nicht, genau. Also ich bin derzeit in einer Nachmittagsbetreuung tätig und ich habe einfach vor, mein Studium jetzt abzuschließen und danach dann irgendwo in einer Schule. Komplett. Okay, kannst du dir vorstellen, dass du dann sowas machst wie zum Beispiel Schulradio, Schulfernsehen? Ich glaube schon, aber ich muss mir das halt dann richtig überlegen, so mir mal einen Plan aufstellen, wie war es genau, was brauche ich, wie gehe ich das voran. Ich kann mir das schon vorstellen. Mit den Kindern, glaube ich, ist es noch lustiger. Das schauen wir uns ja dann noch ein bisschen im Detail auch im Laufe dieses Semesters noch an, was man sozusagen dann braucht, wenn man einfach selber mit sowas anfangen will. Man braucht ja nicht viel, wie ist es bei dir, Sandra? Also, was genau bezogen? Hast du vor, dass du sowas, das ist jetzt natürlich der erste Tag, also da musst du vielleicht noch hineinschauen. Nein, ich kann mir das auch sehr gut vorstellen. Also wenn ich überlege, wenn du Kinder mit einbaust, das funktioniert immer, egal ob es jetzt mit Rollenspielen zum Beispiel ist. Das kann man ja alles trotzdem auch filmen oder sonstiges. Die Kinder sehen sich ganz am fasziniert von Kameras oder wenn sie sich im Server irgendwo sehen. Das würde mich noch interessieren, weil wir vorhin geredet haben bezüglich Informationsquelle. Was ist deine Hauptinformationsquelle? Weil vorher haben wir gesagt, wollen wir uns alle einig wie wir sind? Ehrlicherweise bin ich ein kleines Konsumopfer bei TikTok. Ehrlicherweise. Also da muss ich mich schon leider outen. Man sagt ja, es ist ja nicht ganz ungefährlich. Ja, auf jeden Fall. Okay, da kenne ich mich ja gar nicht aus. Da muss ich sagen, ehrlich gesagt, das habe ich dann irgendwie wirklich gelassen. Auf Instagram eher. Instagram eher. Auch nicht ganz ungefährlich. Das stimmt, das ist fast so ähnlich. Vielleicht können wir uns da noch einmal ein bisschen genauer mit TikTok und Instagram auseinandersetzen. Das finde ich wäre ein spannendes Thema für eine eigene Sendung. Das stimmt. Kann man im Laufe des Semesters einmal überlegen. Ich glaube, wir haben ja noch weitere Gäste, die da hereinkommen wollen, müssen. Vielleicht spielen wir wieder ein bisschen Musik. Schöner Tag und draußen ist es warm Er saugt im Weg nach Haus und mit der Bahn Schaut aus dem Fenster, lässt Gedanken freien Lauf Legt sich ganz entspannt zurück, denn er muss lange noch nicht raus Paar Menschen steigen ein, andere wieder auf Er wechselt grad das Lied und plötzlich stand da diese Frau Und er dachte sich, wow, sagte klar, der Blatt ist weich Sie lachte und er dachte sich, Nur bitte komm, sprich sie an Das ist das Schönste, was du je gesingen hast Und sie hat sicherlich kein Mann, stell dich nicht so an Werd ich's jetzt warnen, doch alles was man hört ist mein Herz schlagen Was soll ich nur sagen, irgendwas nockt mich aus Ich bin etwas sauer, weil ich mich doch nicht trau Mein Kopf ist voller Wörter, doch es kommt nichts drauf Und sie steht auf, steigt raus und sagt Bye, bye, bye, bye, meine Liebe ist lebend Und ja, wir beide werden uns nie wieder sehen Kann schon sein, dass man sich im Leben zweimal begegnet Doch erst beim zweiten Mal, dann einfach zu spät ist Es ist ein unglaublich schöner Tag Und draußen ist es warm Sie hat Bock auf Shopping, also in die Stadt Sie braucht so Sachen, die Frauen erleben Brauchen Bikini, ne neue Tasche Und außerdem will sie schauen, also los Ab in die Bahn Sie zieht sich ein Ticket, 74 für die Fahrt Ist ja ganz schön hart Doch dann sieht sie diesen Typ, Typ Findet ihn süß Setzt sich extra zu ihm hin und denkt sich Bitte, bitte, bitte, bitte komm, sprich mich an Es ist ganz egal, was du ihr sagen würdest Ich spring darauf an, also komm, du bist mein Mann Wir gehören zusammen, denn es jetzt war dein Herz Was soll ich nur sagen, es lockt mich aus Ich bin ein Versager, wenn ich mich doch nicht trau Mein Kopf ist voller Wörter, doch es kommt nichts raus Und sie steht auf, steigt aus und sagt Bye, bye, bye, bye, meine Liebe des Lebens Ja, wir beide werden uns nie wiedersehen Kann schon sein, dass man sich im Leben zweimal begegnet Und das beim zweiten Mal dann einfach zu spät ist Yeah, yeah Bye, bye, bye, bye, meine Liebe des Lebens Und es beim zweiten Mal dann einfach zu spät ist Und es beim zweiten Mal dann einfach zu spät ist Und es beim zweiten Mal dann einfach zu spät ist Was soll ich tun, wenn es beim zweiten Mal dann einfach zu spät ist Einfach zu spät, ey Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye Yeah, yeah, yeah Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye Was soll ich nur sagen, wenn es lockt mich auf Ich will ein paar Sachen, wenn ich nicht auf mich drauf Mein Kopf ist voll am Warten, auf uns kommt nichts drauf Sie steht auf und steigt auf Bye, bye, bye, bye, meine Liebe, das Leben Und ja, wir beide werden uns nie wiedersehen Kann schon sein, dass man sich im Leben zweimal begegnen Einmal meine Liebe des Lebens. Und ja, wir beide werden es nie wieder sehen. Kann schon sein, dass man sich im Leben zweimal begegnen. Und was vom zweiten Mal dann einfach zu spät ist. Danke schön. Terra FM Teacher Education Radio Austria Das Studierendenradio der Pädagogischen Hochschule Oberösterreich. BHTV, Terra FM, live aus dem Studio in der Hohemerstraße. Wir switchen jetzt wieder zu Englisch. Ich müsste es wegen diesem Herrn da zu meiner Linken nicht tun, aber wegen den Damen zu meiner Rechten schon. Es ist auf jeden Fall jetzt sozusagen wieder eine international round hier, eine internationale Runde, deshalb machen wir es in Englisch. Also ich habe hier die... Hilal. Hilal, oh Gott, es wird immer schlimmer mit mir. Die Hilal kommt auch aus der Türkei. Von wo kommst du, Hilal? Der Türkei? In Antalya? Ja From the uk in antalya yeah she comes from antalya and we have wendy she comes from czech from the czech republic from is it from ostrava in the in the east it's very close to the polish border yeah i was in australia yeah so it's not too far from katowice. I actually flew from Norway to Katowice and took the train to Australia. And we have Philipp, who is German, English, works for... Yes, who is actually German but studies in the Netherlands. Yeah, I'm from everywhere. I was born in London. I grew up in Germany, Switzerland. So a globalized man. Yeah. A little bit like me. It was Erasmus from Rotterdam. He actually, the Erasmus program, the name comes from a Dutch guy. Really? Yeah, Erasmus from Rotterdam. He was a philosopher. Is there some history student out there who knows when Erasmus from Rotterdam actually lived? I think it was, was it 16th century? Well, let's see, guys. So don't punish me if that's completely wrong. Maybe somebody can Google when Erasmus from Rotterdam lived. Can somebody Google it out there that we don't talk bullshit on an educational radio, which is probably not a good idea? Yeah. educational radio, which is probably not a good idea. Yeah. Erasmus from Rotterdam said, I'm at home everywhere or maybe even better, nowhere. Or maybe he said, I'm at home nowhere, but maybe even better everywhere. I don't remember exactly, but something like that. And it's basically the same. OK, well, welcome to the program as as well. As we have somebody living in Netherlands now, what would you say media education in the Netherlands? In schools? In schools, yeah. Well, I have never been in an actual school setting in the Netherlands. So it was only Germany? Yes, in Germany and in Switzerland, because in Netherlands, I was only in a university. And I've never actually done a school practice in a Dutch school. So I'm not sure I can answer that. Well, Germany and Switzerland, then also interesting. Yeah. So in Germany, I did most of my primary school years and also kindergarten. So in Germany, I was in Germany. I lived in Frankfurt from grade one to three. I did the primary school there. And that was still all very old fashioned. No, to little media, like we still had the blackboard, the chalkboard, you know, like we didn't really use much at all. And then I actually also have experience in a Swiss local public school. But I'm not meaning to be a little bit precise because there's a little misunderstanding here. I don't mean actually using media for education. I mean media education, which is a little different. It means actually how to reflect on the consummation of media or to do practical media design like films audio school radio school so if we did film in a school something like no definitely not in the German in German school okay but in in Swiss in in my Swiss because I went to an international school so there it was all a little bit more advanced um and because obviously they also have more money that flowed through because it's a private school um and there they had more money to to invest in in sound uh production systems to make more um films more theatrical so there you need things a little bit yeah but yeah. But I wasn't a big part in it. I was usually more on the background kind of things. So yeah, I don't have much experience when it comes to that, but I am very interested in this topic. So that's why I chose this course in the first place. But yeah, in my family it was usually my dad that was a very technical guy and into media. But yeah, I'm interested in it as well and making films. Well, we have a little Turkish perspective already. You heard it. Do you agree kind of? Yeah, I agree with the Teo. Yeah, to explain everything. Okay, well that's handy. That's handy. And Wendy, Czech Republic? I think it's pretty same like in Germany and here in Austria. But I think that nowadays it's getting like improved because of the media and stuff. But when I was at school, no, there was like no films, no radios, nothing like that. So nothing in the curriculum? No. No discussion in the staff rooms? No, no, no. Can I just say, like, I think we are very lucky, our generation, to have grown up in both kind of worlds, you know? Like, we grew up in the world where not so much media existed and then we also lived through the development of media until today and i think that's that we are very very lucky and fortunate to have experienced both sides because uh the generation nowadays may not i don't know may not um how do i say it to be harsh not have as much social skills because of the amount of media that has impacted their lives now at an early age so I think we're very lucky about that I mean this is a we actually broadcasting over community TV station yeah in your countries have you come maybe to explain what it means it means that it's completely we actually broadcasting over community TV station. Yeah. Yeah. In your countries, have you come, maybe made to explain what it means. It means that it's completely independent. Yeah. But it still gets state funding. Yeah. So the money people pay for like national TV and radio, a bit of the money also goes to independent community stations. That hasn't been always. Yeah. That is probably when I was your age, that didn't exist. It was illegal. But later on, it was allowed. So this is what we call a kind of media democratization with all advantages and disadvantages. But in the beginning, it was only advantages. But I realize now, because also this kind of sometimes good things turn against itself. Have you had that already? Yeah. If you look at your countries, is like the media apart from state media or established media, is it only then YouTube, TikTok, etc.? Or is something like we are actually broadcasting over now, community TV, community radio, where citizens can make TV and radio? Is there something in Antalya? Can you ask again? I just missed the question. Do you know what I mean with community media? Oh, yeah. Is there something, an independent TV radio station in Antalya? Actually, not that much. I think so, because radio is not a general thing in Antalya. so because uh radio is not a general thing in the antalya generally we just uh play spotify in the like the cars and the home radio is not a general thing but would it be possible oh yeah you could like you could say i start my oh yeah radio program yeah okay check your public yeah i think that we have like lots of community podcasts and things like that but I don't think that it gets to the younger people maybe like older people like listen to it yeah but not like the young yeah so young people have the TikTok Instagram yeah sadly yeah it's just yeah what can we do as you have you will be future teachers you will work with young people what are you going to do about this issue yeah um i would like to um obviously i can't stay away from media like completely um but i would like to not enforce it that much if you know what I mean to the students I think it's still good that they are aware of of certain me as I exist but they should also be mindful of the like you mentioned earlier about the fake news that can be spread on social media especially and that they should be aware of this issue. But who decides what is fake and what not? Who decides that? The people. Like the, I don't know. I decide what I see is fake or not. what I see is fake or not. How can we find a way? I mean, if you talk about fake news in school and the children ask you what is fake, what would you say? That's a really good question. Yeah. Actually, it's so hard. Microphone. Like, it's so hard to understand which is true or false because there's lots of information even in the Google. So it's so hard to reach the true information. So I think it is hard and I don't know how to find the true and false one. Yeah, you have to search lots of. Wendy? Yeah, I think the same. It's really hard to just say what is true and what's false. So I really don't know how would I do that. Maybe we as teachers or you as future teachers, this discussion I think is something we should have much more often. It should be a discussion in every staff room. How do we address this? Because we always say fake news, but we hardly ever say who decides. I think it's also largely a perspective and opinion based because with some things people may think differently on a subject than others you know and that's why some people may think this is fake news and some people may think differently so yeah i i think it's really a perspective based uh topic thing um and it's not really like a clear answer to that it's also dangerous it's dangerous if i say like if i say what i like is true and what i don't like is fake where are we going oh yeah yeah actually like i don't know like it's difficult it's so difficult but i think we need to find answers for that. I mean, this is important for our societies, you know? Like, for our democracy. This is a crucial question. Who do we believe? Who do we not believe? I mean, I can't say it here now because I can't take sides, but there was a thing yesterday on a live stream which was done by people who have completely different views on things than i do and if a friend of mine called me said i'm watching this you should watch is that you at least know what they say and i said i can't watch it i can't stand that you know i get stomach ache but is that a good approach i mean just wanting to hear and see what I like I'm not sure yeah I feel like also a big part of it is knowing what what things you watch are they reliable or are they not reliable because usually at least it should be the case, shows or series or things that are big and are reliable to people, they don't necessarily should spread fake news. So I feel like parents of the kids should know kind of what is going on in like what the kids are watching what the children are watching what what what things they are putting in the children's uh heads you know probably the answer is constant discussion constant kind of that we always move that we always question challenge ourselves others you know but this is something often we humans do not want because we want to have simple answers for complicated questions and probably we have to accept that they don't exist yes in plans as to complicated questions if if there were simple answers then we'd have much less problems in the world yeah absolutely so uh i mean i was saying to you before everybody who says i have source for the truth i never trust those people not because either they are liars or they are stupid or they are arrogant one of those three yeah no because probably the answer to that is that we also make children capable of dealing with that feeling, not completely knowing 100% always what the truth is. But maybe trusting people who at least have an ethical codex behind them that they want to tell the truth. Because not everybody does. Especially on TikTok TikTok I think not totally sure if everybody if if the biggest motivation of everybody is to tell the truth right yeah definitely not yeah so keeping an open mind and also giving that seed into children. By the way, do we already know when Erasmus from Rotterdam lived? Because I owe the audience that information. He died 1536. I wasn't too bad then, huh? 1536. That's what I kind of said. 1536, okay. That's a long time ago. He was a good example for a very open-minded person and he traveled a lot and maybe traveling and going places is also a good way to have a better feeling what is true and what not because when somebody tells you uh that country is bad but you have actually been there and you know that it's like everywhere some people are bad some are good and most people actually are good from my experience yeah so it's it's rather rare the rare people are not the majority on this planet i'm absolutely sure about that so that can give us some hope uh we're coming close to the end of this program. And I think if I don't get different information from the technical room out there, the next broadcast will be actually about alternative pedagogy, about free schools, about some schools in this area, actually, that use completely different methods and I think they also probably have a different attitude towards other opinion open-mindedness and so on so a studio guest will be Astrid and I think it will be also a colleague from one of those schools so that will be can you help me with that what is the No, it's actually, we need the second March broadcast first. There's something else. What will be topic in, we don't know yet. So check out Radio Fru and Dorfte for websites. You will see it some days before what the topic will be. The alternative schools will be first April broadcast, but we still have to do the second March broadcast. Maybe you guys have an idea. We could also continue the TikTok stuff. I really don't like TikTok. You don't need to like TikTok to speak about TikTok. Sommerschule. We already have a topic. Sommerschule. So we're nearly done. Thank you for listening. Danke fürs Zuhören, Zuschauen auf TRFM THTV. Wir wünschen noch einen angenehmen Nachmittag und goodbye. Ewaidam liti liti mayrombe djumbe Oma dula mina lula doi doi nama Liti liti liti mayrombe djumbe Dila mina Dila mina diko ayo wane Ewaidam hola kisna lula doi doi nama Oma dula mina lula doi djumbe djumbe Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017